Originally posted by Silent Master
I've actually had animals attack me before and it's not anywhere near as difficult as you're trying to make it appear, there is zero reason to assume that Cap would be hard pressed in dealing with an animal attack.
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Agreed, if a dog comes at you, you kick him in the fcking face over and over till he stops.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Comparing a dog to a Lion or Croc is absolutely ridiculous. Try to kick a wolf in the face and if you make it back, please tell us how easy it was to do.
Comparing a lion or Croc to Cap is ridiculous as well. If he kicked either of those animals as hard as he could in the face, he'd shatter their skull/spine.
Originally posted by KingD19
Yeah. Also Cap is strong enough to one-punch kill pretty much anything Tarzan has fought. He's also fast as shit, so it'd be, dodge, punch, dead lion. Rinse repeat.
I doubt he'd be able to one-shot a silverback gorilla. I mean don't get me wrong, I do think Cap wins this fight. Just not as easily as some would believe.
A solid, clean full force punch to the face/skull of a silverback would take it out of commission too. Even as tough as they are, they aren't able to ignore the laws of physics. And when a guy as strong as Cap hits you in the face, if your skull isn't crunched, your brain is ping ponging around inside there.
And doing stuff like contending physically with Iron-Man and SPidey and Ultron, and crushing military vehicles with thrown vehicles, and kicking trucks and holding cars up, etc... This all leads me to believe that if Cap hit any of those animals hard enough, they'd die.
Originally posted by KingD19I would agree at face value. However we are not talking about a lion that is just standing still or that is not in attack mode nor is it just one. The Croc is not on land but in water.
Comparing a lion or Croc to Cap is ridiculous as well. If he kicked either of those animals as hard as he could in the face, he'd shatter their skull/spine.
I could also say that if a gorilla or Tarzan was to hit a loin or Croc in the face as hard as they could it would kill them which would be true.
Look I get it, Capt has the feats and that is due to the special effects. I believe Capt could be stronger and faster than Tarzan but it wouldn't be enough to be stomp and not by a vast amount.
As I stated previously the 1930s Tarzan is vastly superior to the one in Tarzan the Legend but the specials effects pales in comparison to today' standards. Also the time periods in which they live are different.
Please stop mentioning a 6 month non-trained Spiderman that wasn't even a full on fight. Nor Ironman which was a two on one and Ironman was trying simply move Capt out the way while Capt and Winter Soldier were fighting for Winter Soldier's life.
Here is how I see the fight going. Tarzan would use the jungle to his advantage. Attacking from high and in the Shadows of the Jungle. This would enable him to catch Capt off guard and get of some hits. However, the fight eventually would have to come the ground and go hand to hand which would go to Capt.
If Tarzan can force Capt to fight him on high within the trees then I think he definitely could win however, if the fight goes to the ground then Capt wins every time.
Originally posted by KingD19So what are Tarzan senses? Again you are taking about two people with super senses, vision, perception, strength, speed, and agility. The only thing is for some reason you feel Tarzan is so far beneath Capt in these areas. I don't agree.
Cap has enhanced perception, vision, and senses. In the first movie he just tossed his shield into a tree, popping a perfectly disguised and completely immobile German sniper. Tarzan can't really hide from him.
Originally posted by KingD19
A solid, clean full force punch to the face/skull of a silverback would take it out of commission too. Even as tough as they are, they aren't able to ignore the laws of physics. And when a guy as strong as Cap hits you in the face, if your skull isn't crunched, your brain is ping ponging around inside there.And doing stuff like contending physically with Iron-Man and SPidey and Ultron, and crushing military vehicles with thrown vehicles, and kicking trucks and holding cars up, etc... This all leads me to believe that if Cap hit any of those animals hard enough, they'd die.
True. A good clean hit to a gorilla's face can probably kill it. Heck, I bet even a professional heavyweight mma fighter can seriously injure a gorilla as long as he's allowed a good clean kick to the face.
But in a proper fight where the gorilla is moving and actively trying to take out Cap, I just don't see him one-shotting it, at least not the gorilla that Tarzan fought. That gorilla looked quite faster and more agile than real life gorillas.
Maybe its me, but out of all the examples listed, I would think killing the Croc would be the easiest. All it really has is a straight forward bit. It cant use its arms or its tail. I really dont feel Cap would have any trouble with it. Plus he can actually swim faster if he had to flee for a minute or so.
Even that gorilla wouldn't last too long against Cap who isn't holding back like he usually does against regular people. Can't see it hanging against guys like Spidey(even if he wasn't trying to kill Cap, he wasn't using kiddie gloves on him), Winter Soldier, Panther, Ultron Prime, Iron Man, Loki, etc...
Originally posted by KingD19Even if he shouldn't be able to due to Capt enhance sense lets remember that Tarzan is used to hunting in the Jungle and getting close to animals that also have above normal senses. I think his stealth would still have some effectiveness. As shown in Civil War even spiderman with all his enhanced super senses was still be caught off guard.
I said nothing about Tarzan's senses. I said Cap's are enhanced to the point where Tarzan shouldn't be able to sneak up on him, which is one of the things you said would help him out during the fight.
Originally posted by tkitnaYeah, you are undermining a Croc in water. Do you think Capt would have any issues with a Bull Shark?
Maybe its me, but out of all the examples listed, I would think killing the Croc would be the easiest. All it really has is a straight forward bit. It cant use its arms or its tail. I really dont feel Cap would have any trouble with it. Plus he can actually swim faster if he had to flee for a minute or so.
Originally posted by KingD19Once again the different views. You just stated far faster and more efficiently. I don't see the difference being far or vast. Also, I never said he would not be able to keep up. Lets not pretend that being faster and stronger gives you an automatic win.
So Cap who will be not only actively looking for Tarzan, but is able to move far faster and more efficiently than him in all manner of ways is just going to be off guard and not able to keep up with Tarzan as he does this stuff?
Spiderman is all the of the above in comparison to Capt but that didn't stop the
Capt from not only being able to connect with a kick but put Spiderman in a position where he no longer could attack. That was due to Capt's experience and Spiderman's inexperience.
So lets not pretend that Capt is so vastly more superior than Tarzan that fighting Tarzan in the Jungle in his habitat would offer no advantage at all to Tarzan.