Originally posted by Kotor3
Yeah, you are undermining a Croc in water. Do you think Capt would have any issues with a Bull Shark?
I think your basing everything off of the Croc getting an actual bite in before anything else happens. I dont know anything about Bull Sharks, but if Crocs kill them on a regular basis, they must be slow as hell. If they are that slow than no, Captain America would have no issues with them. If the Croc sneaks up on them and kills one every now and then, maybe they would be a problem.
Didnt see Tarzan, but when he fought the Croc, did the Croc have a hold of him?
Just read up on Bull Sharks. They are basically a small version of a Great White that can live in either saltwater or freshwater. They hang out on shallow areas, usually the mouth of rivers. Saltwater and Nile Crocs are easily twice the size of Bull Sharks (20+ ft for the Croc and 7+ ft for a Bull Shark) and prey on them by either sneaking up on them or backing them into a corner where they cant flee. The Bull Shark isnt big enough to really do anything to a mature Croc although there are numerous reports of Crocs missing limbs and Bull Sharks are associated with this along with other Croc attacks,
All in all, I dont see where a Croc killing a Bull Shark is any great feat now that I have read up on it. What kind of Croc attacked Tarzan by the way?
Originally posted by tkitnaYou need to read up a little more about bull sharks. Bull Sharks are not prey of Croc but you making statements as if a Croc is slow in water. I will look up info of a Croc when I have time and post.
Just read up on Bull Sharks. They are basically a small version of a Great White that can live in either saltwater or freshwater. They hang out on shallow areas, usually the mouth of rivers. Saltwater and Nile Crocs are easily twice the size of Bull Sharks (20+ ft for the Croc and 7+ ft for a Bull Shark) and prey on them by either sneaking up on them or backing them into a corner where they cant flee. The Bull Shark isnt big enough to really do anything to a mature Croc although there are numerous reports of Crocs missing limbs and Bull Sharks are associated with this along with other Croc attacks,All in all, I dont see where a Croc killing a Bull Shark is any great feat now that I have read up on it. What kind of Croc attacked Tarzan by the way?
Here is a video of Tarzan vs the Croc. Please keep in mind the movie is from the 30s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mROOk74jV24 – Croc
I'm not saying Crocs go out of their way to hunt Bull Sharks, but when they do, they kill them as I stated. How else would they? While being one of the slowest sharks, they are still slightly faster than a Croc. I wasnt suggesting that Crocs were slow, but they arent swimming and running down Bull Sharks. The youtube link was ridiculous also. A Croc that does nothing but spin when he's near his prey. Yeah right. Not even sure why you posted it.
Anyways, at this point, it doesnt appear that Tarzan can do anything as well as Cap except for maybe talking to animals and your argument is pretty weak. Cap wins. Lets move on.
Originally posted by tkitnaOne you are looking at a 1930s movie which I told you to keep in mind. Obviously the special effects would not be great in comparison to our time. Please tell me which animal does not hide before attacking? The point is the Croc is still able to perform a kill on a mighty predator that haves very few predators of itself.
I'm not saying Crocs go out of their way to hunt Bull Sharks, but when they do, they kill them as I stated. How else would they? While being one of the slowest sharks, they are still slightly faster than a Croc. I wasnt suggesting that Crocs were slow, but they arent swimming and running down Bull Sharks. The youtube link was ridiculous also. A Croc that does nothing but spin when he's near his prey. Yeah right. Not even sure why you posted it.Anyways, at this point, it doesnt appear that Tarzan can do anything as well as Cap except for maybe talking to animals and your argument is pretty weak. Cap wins. Lets move on.
As for my argument, yes it is going to sound weak to someone who doesn't give credit where due. Undermining, the power of a Croc and what it can do as well as lions and taking a 1930s movies special effects at face value (really what did you expect from a 1930s movie, for the Croc to move and look as realistic as the animals in Jungle Book) and comparing it to a movie made now would make any argument seem weak.
I have no problem with Capt winning but it is not a stomp.
Originally posted by KingD19For my clarification because you make a lot of statements. I'm not sure how fast Subs move during that time period but are you implying that Capt can swim faster than a Croc or that he is just faster than Tarzan in water?
Well Cap swam after a submarine going full speed and caught it...He also landed in the water a noticeable distance from that ship and got on board in just a few seconds.
He's the fastest thing in the water in these matchups.
Originally posted by Kotor3
For my clarification because you make a lot of statements. I'm not sure how fast Subs move during that time period but are you implying that Capt can swim faster than a Croc or that he is just faster than Tarzan in water?
I'm stating both, as it was a hydra one man escape sub, and hydra tech was years more advanced than anything else around so it was pretty fast.
Originally posted by Silent MasterFeats, logic, and assumptions. If you want to choose only one as your criteria go ahead. As stated previously, the movie is from the 30s. I don't get what is so hard to understand. Comparing special effects from a Capt movie and a 30s movies is ridiculous.
We go by feats here and by feats that croc wasn't very impressive.
The feat is he killed a Croc in the water with a knife. I find that to be highly impressive.
Originally posted by KingD19That is a very big assumption to make. Okay, Capt is faster in water. Tarzan is at a big disadvantage due to special effects.
I'm stating both, as it was a hydra one man escape sub, and hydra tech was years more advanced than anything else around so it was pretty fast.
While you and some others keep pointing out that Capt is a superior being you have yet to show how that would translate into a stomp.
Capt wins. I agree even it they did Tarzan justice in the updated movie I am fine with that assessment. I do not see a stomp.
Let me remind you I already provided the example of Spiderman who is vastly more superior than Capt but much less experience. I in no way see Tarzan being stomp in the Jungle.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Feats, logic, and assumptions. If you want to choose only one as your criteria go ahead. As stated previously, the movie is from the 30s. I don't get what is so hard to understand. Comparing special effects from a Capt movie and a 30s movies is ridiculous.The feat is he killed a Croc in the water with a knife. I find that to be highly impressive.
The feat is that he killed that particular croc, which based on that crocs feats, wasn't very impressive.
Originally posted by Kotor3
That is a very big assumption to make. Okay, Capt is faster in water. Tarzan is at a big disadvantage due to special effects.While you and some others keep pointing out that Capt is a superior being you have yet to show how that would translate into a stomp.
Capt wins. I agree even it they did Tarzan justice in the updated movie I am fine with that assessment. I do not see a stomp.
Let me remind you I already provided the example of Spiderman who is vastly more superior than Capt but much less experience. I in no way see Tarzan being stomp in the Jungle.
It's not a big assumption at all. Firstly, Cap caught up to a speeding submarine in the water, even if it wasn't super advanced, it'd be faster than a croc. Secondly, the movie made it a point to explain that Hyrda was so effective because their tech was so advanced. And it was so advanced because of the Tesseract Cube.
For example, in the first movie when Cap stole that car. It was doing at least 65-70 and no car in the world at that time outside maybe specialized race cars could get anywhere near that kind of speed. There was also the bomber that Cap crashed. So it stands to make perfect sense that a one person, mini-sub designed to get a secret Hydra agent from New York back to Germany would be pretty fast.
Tarzan is at a disadvantage due to feats and the nature of those feats. Tarzan goes up against animals, which is awesome. But Cap goes up against other superhumans, and vehicles and wins most of the time.
It translates into a stomp because Cap is durable enough to tank anything Tarzan manages to hit him with, if he doesn't outright dodge it or block with his shield if he has it.
With the shield, Tarzan's gonna get bonked on the head after it bounces off four trees and a passing monkey.
Even though Spidey was more powerful, Steve took him down not just with skill and experience, but his own superhuman strength which was enough to toss Spidey around.
Cap is blatantly stronger than him on feats.
Cap is also insanely skilled, while Tarzan not so much.
So he has literally every advantage except animal sense, yet it's not a stomp. Fine, if it's not a stomp, it's a decent fight Cap wins 10/10.
Originally posted by KingD19Fair enough. I definitely don't agree with everything you said. But to my point you pointed out the example of Spidey who is not only more powerful, but faster, more agile by a good amount (Capts superhuman strength really doesn't compare to Spidey's as shown by what Spiderman did to Winter Soldiers metal arm). Still, got caught by Capt and put in a position where Capt could have done more damage.
It's not a big assumption at all. Firstly, Cap caught up to a speeding submarine in the water, even if it wasn't super advanced, it'd be faster than a croc. Secondly, the movie made it a point to explain that Hyrda was so effective because their tech was so advanced. And it was so advanced because of the Tesseract Cube.For example, in the first movie when Cap stole that car. It was doing at least 65-70 and no car in the world at that time outside maybe specialized race cars could get anywhere near that kind of speed. There was also the bomber that Cap crashed. So it stands to make perfect sense that a one person, mini-sub designed to get a secret Hydra agent from New York back to Germany would be pretty fast.
Tarzan is at a disadvantage due to feats and the nature of those feats. Tarzan goes up against animals, which is awesome. But Cap goes up against other superhumans, and vehicles and wins most of the time.
It translates into a stomp because Cap is durable enough to tank anything Tarzan manages to hit him with, if he doesn't outright dodge it or block with his shield if he has it.
With the shield, Tarzan's gonna get bonked on the head after it bounces off four trees and a passing monkey.
Even though Spidey was more powerful, Steve took him down not just with skill and experience, but his own superhuman strength which was enough to toss Spidey around.
Cap is blatantly stronger than him on feats.
Cap is also insanely skilled, while Tarzan not so much.
So he has literally every advantage except animal sense, yet it's not a stomp. Fine, if it's not a stomp, it's a decent fight Cap wins 10/10.
All the things you say that Capt is over Tarzan, Spiderman is over Capt. So, the biggest reason why this would not be a stomp because the fight is in the Jungle where Tarzan has vastly more experience in fighting and it is his home which he would use to his advantage.
That is all I have to say on this subject. We agree though that Capt wins this fight.
Originally posted by Kotor3
While you and some others keep pointing out that Capt is a superior being you have yet to show how that would translate into a stomp.
Doesnt this statement answer your question? He's a superior being. How is it not a stomp?
Your so hung up on Caps fight with an inexperienced 15 year old Spiderman who was trying to do nothing more than capture and contain, that your clearly blinded to what is in front of you. Captain America wont be wearing those kids gloves during this battle.
Tarzan cant win even one time here. Its a stomp.
Cap wins, but be mindful that winning 10/10 and stomping is not the same. There are degrees to a victory.
For instance, Iron Man could stomp Tarzan due to tech advantage. Tarzan has no answer to missiles/lasers/flight etc. IM also wins 10/10 but it's a completely different order of magnitude win.
But in this fight Tarzan is not going down in 2 seconds, especially noting the setting and feats specified by the OP.