Sentry vs Superman in a Mavel/DC switch

Well, the question is "what would happen if". It doesn't make sense to import specific PIS from one story and use it in another. But it does mean we should look at how the character is engineered, and that general comic standards will apply.

The fact that Sentry is designed to implode is as much CIS as PIS, I suppose. Though again, I don't like either term. Still, this isn't Spidey vs. Firelord here. This is the fact that Sentry is who Sentry is, and he'd be just as likely to ultimately wish for death and facilitate it in the DCU and the MU.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Well, the question is "what would happen if". It doesn't make sense to import specific PIS from one story and use it in another. But it does mean we should look at how the character is engineered, and that general comic standards will apply.

The fact that Sentry is designed to implode is as much CIS as PIS, I suppose. Though again, I don't like either term. Still, this isn't Spidey vs. Firelord here. This is the fact that Sentry is who Sentry is, and he'd be just as likely to ultimately wish for death and facilitate it in the DCU and the MU.

It's definitely within his capacity to completely smoke Superman.

Originally posted by Surtur
He only stopped because he chose to be stopped, they weren't able to actually prevent his mental break.

Not exactly a direct one since we've since how well those work, but he can do to Sentry something similar to what happened when Cloc overloaded him and turned him catatonic. That is how they are going to prevent tragedy, not by just coaching him or having a therapy session with him.

Tony Stark said that hacking Cloc in order to overload Bob was a bad move because Sentry could have created a new House of M event.

Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Well, the question is "what would happen if". It doesn't make sense to import specific PIS from one story and use it in another. But it does mean we should look at how the character is engineered, and that general comic standards will apply.

The fact that Sentry is designed to implode is as much CIS as PIS, I suppose. Though again, I don't like either term. Still, this isn't Spidey vs. Firelord here. This is the fact that Sentry is who Sentry is, and he'd be just as likely to ultimately wish for death and facilitate it in the DCU and the MU.

Spidey Vs Firelord is a legit feat.

It's legit in the sense that yes the event certainly took place within the Marvel universe.

It is not something you should use in a Spider-Man debate though.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's legit in the sense that yes the event certainly took place within the Marvel universe.

It is not something you should use in a Spider-Man debate though.

It showed that Spider-man using his strong points can win against Firelord.

Firelord isn't physically that strong and he has a slow reaction time.

That let some openings for Spidey to hit and run him.

Lol this is the same comic where Spider-Man exclaims "not even a herald of galactus" could survive an explosion that destroyed several city blocks or something. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Also if Firelord isn't that strong and is also slow then doing a hit and run on such a character serves no purpose being brought up in a debate either way. Could you explain to us the part that is impressive then in your opinion?

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol this is the same comic where Spider-Man exclaims "not even a herald of galactus" could survive an explosion that destroyed several city blocks or something. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

Also if Firelord isn't that strong and is also slow then doing a hit and run on such a character serves no purpose being brought up in a debate either way. Could you explain to us the part that is impressive then in your opinion?

I don't get your question...

Firelord is far more durable than Spider-man and have clearly more impressive destructive capacity...

What is impressive is that Spidey used his strong points that Firelord could hardly counter despite his advantages.

That's as legit as Mongoose destroying Thor.

Guys, please review the forum rules.

Yeah back on topic lol I think if nothing else Sentry would make DC more interesting maybe Superman would dull down Marvel

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I don't get your question...

Firelord is far more durable than Spider-man and have clearly more impressive destructive capacity...

What is impressive is that Spidey used his strong points that Firelord could hardly counter despite his advantages.

That's as legit as Mongoose destroying Thor.

You aren't making any sense though. The "strong points" he used shouldn't have been able to do what they did. We get that he is quick and agile and all that, but there comes a point where that just doesn't matter.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, please review the forum rules.

Which rule do you mean, since I can't imagine how the Spiderman/Firelord encounter would be seen as legit for Spidey.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
That's the point in having an Uber-powerful character.

Okay, but it wont' save them from terrible destruction being unleashed.

I think that the big 7 could help Bob to deal with himself the same way he did in the Sentry mini-series.

As I've been saying though, nobody was able to ever fully help him. When you say they could deal with him the same way he was dealt with in his series all that means is that they can delay this. I don't think anyone is saying they couldn't delay it, but no it's not like they are going to "fix" him.

Tony Stark said that hacking Cloc in order to overload Bob was a bad move because Sentry could have created a new House of M event.

But it happened and AFAIK there was no new House of M. Would it of eventually happened? Who knows, and would a seasoned telepath be able to perhaps prevent that? Again hard to say.

We don't know what will happen there, but we do know what will happen if they try to do what the heroes of Marvel did. Also some of the people trying to help him in Marvel knew him, as in they knew things about him, beyond just basic knowledge. The JLA have no connections at all to him and Sentry is in fact not emotionally connected to a single person in DC.

Originally posted by Surtur
[B]You aren't making any sense though. The "strong points" he used shouldn't have been able to do what they did. We get that he is quick and agile and all that, but there comes a point where that just doesn't matter.

Of course it does make sense:

Firelord doesn't have the reflexes to shoot Spidey with accuracy when he is moving all-around and his superior agility and spider-sense allows him to anticipate Firelord's blasts.

Moreover Firelord's weak point is his brain which is organic in perception and functions: it is said in the Marvel Handbook that Firelord can have a concussion is the damage is big enough.

Read the part LIMITATIONS:

Spidey simply progressively sapped Firelord's durability and stamina until the final series of punches into Firelord's face take him down for good.

Originally posted by Surtur
Okay, but it wont' save them from terrible destruction being unleashed.

Yep

As I've been saying though, nobody was able to ever fully help him. When you say they could deal with him the same way he was dealt with in his series all that means is that they can delay this. I don't think anyone is saying they couldn't delay it, but no it's not like they are going to "fix" him.

That's true but the Status Quo is part of the comic book characterization.

That's why Bruce Banner will never been fully cured of being the Hulk for example.

It seems however that Sentry has changed a lot in his last appearance as he lost his former weaknesses, agoraphobia (he said it) and Shizophrenia (there is no Void within him anymore) prior to the Death Seed which basically allowed him to be morals off all the time.

But it happened and AFAIK there was no new House of M. Would it of eventually happened? Who knows, and would a seasoned telepath be able to perhaps prevent that? Again hard to say.

It depends on what story the writer want to write.

We don't know what will happen there, but we do know what will happen if they try to do what the heroes of Marvel did. Also some of the people trying to help him in Marvel knew him, as in they knew things about him, beyond just basic knowledge. The JLA have no connections at all to him and Sentry is in fact not emotionally connected to a single person in DC.

Honestly I would like to read that story and see how they would deal with Bob mental illness.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

It seems however that Sentry has changed a lot in his last appearance as he lost his former weaknesses, agoraphobia (he said it) and Shizophrenia (there is no Void within him anymore) prior to the Death Seed which basically allowed him to be morals off all the time.

Sentry got rid of his agoraphobia, but he is still schizophrenic. The "there is no Void within him anymore" approach is so damn stupid.
Sentry literally said, that the Void left him and went to the White Hot Room. That's him imagining stuff. And he still has delusions of grandeur. Just look at his talk about him being the chosen son and humanity's saviour.

That's really basic Sentry stuff, which doesn't get into your thick skull. Don't even argue with me about it.

There were so many times you've PMed me with questions about the Sentry:
"Can the Sentry do this, could the Sentry do that?"
"Enzeru halp, I got into this debate about Sentry being able to manipulate time and now I need you to give me something, ANYTHING MAN, just so I can make a case for the Sentry!"
I also remember all the times, where I gave you all the right information on the Sentry, but your brain couldn't process it, and so you went on and spread out wrong information.

And to think that you in one thread posted the statement, you would be the person, who knows the most about the Sentry. That's literally what I had said before, you damn, broken record. For me that's true. For you not so much, you delusional freak. When I tell you that the Sentry prefers green apples over red apples, then that's the case.
The only way you can save the last big of dignity you potentially have is by admitting, that you were trolling the entire time and that Sentry obviously doesn't even come close to the multiversal or by now even omniversal levels you always tried to place him at.

God damn.

Oh, and one more thing... since you like to post fallacies all day long:
How about you look up the "backfire effect"? You are the literal definition of the backfire effect and people like you are the reason why I'm not active on battle boards anymore.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]Sentry got rid of his agoraphobia, but he is still schizophrenic. The "there is no Void within him anymore" approach is so damn stupid.

No, he isn't a schizo anymore.

Sentry literally said, that the Void left him and went to the White Hot Room. That's him imagining stuff.

Wrong.
That's him interpreting the disappearance of the Void.

And he still has delusions of grandeur. Just look at his talk about him being the chosen son and humanity's saviour.

He doesn't have delusions of grandeur.
That's the corrupting influence of the Death Seed that talks.

That's really basic Sentry stuff, which doesn't get into your thick skull. Don't even argue with me about it.

Shut up and read it what I've posted.

There were so many times you've PMed me with questions about the Sentry:
"Can the Sentry do this, could the Sentry do that?"
"Enzeru halp, I got into this debate about Sentry being able to manipulate time and now I need you to give me something, ANYTHING MAN, just so I can make a case for the Sentry!"

I came to you when I needed basic stuff, once I did your help wasn't needed anymore which is the case here.

I also remember all the times, where I gave you all the right information on the Sentry, but your brain couldn't process it, and so you went on and spread out wrong information.

I perfectly understand who the Sentry is and his place within the Marvel Universe but thanks for your concern.

And to think that you in one thread posted the statement, you would be the person, who knows the most about the Sentry. That's literally what I had said before, you damn, broken record. For me that's true. For you not so much, you delusional freak. When I tell you that the Sentry prefers green apples over red apples, then that's the case.

You can believe what you want, I truly don't give a shit.

You said that Sentry is at Thanos-level and you can't backtrack on that because you spend one year ranting about me and you insulted me in PM because my opinion was different about it.

Now that the creator of the character confirmed that Sentry is advanced beyond Molecule Man and Beyonder all your little theories are done and you are screwed.

The only way you can save the last big of dignity you potentially have is by admitting, that you were trolling the entire time and that Sentry obviously doesn't even come close to the multiversal or by now even omniversal levels you always tried to place him at.

I've never said that I was trolling about it.
I've always been serious.

At times I used the term "multiversal" in the sense that Sentry could affect all of the realities in the Marvel Universe, now I am using Omniversal because it's the correct definition.

God damn.

Oh, and one more thing... since you like to post fallacies all day long:
How about you look up the "backfire effect"? You are the literal definition of the backfire effect and people like you are the reason why I'm not active on battle boards anymore.

I didn't post any fallacies.
You should read your post about Sentry again because he is filled with incoherences and contradictions.
You truly don't know what to say or what to do now...

I think that you are projecting too much about the "backfire effect" because that's exactly what just happened to you.

I remember that you claimed in a PM that you know better than Jenkins about the Sentry which is ludicrous and arrogant.

Talking about decency I think it's truly time for you to shut your big mouth.