Who do you want to be president?

Started by Sin I AM14 pages
Originally posted by |King Joker|
He talks like a third grader, LOL.

Meh he's an idiot but people follow him so atleast he has that going for him. Blind leading the blind, essentially. Hillary did an interview with Fox News which was outside the box seeing how Fox hates her. She atleast appeared knowledgeable on the questions asked but she didn't expand on her policies which us annoying at this point. She's still unable to take command of the camera. Which adds to her disingenuous perception. Her being a liar is moot at this point. They're ALL liars I just find it odd why she's so...hated so passionately. Benghazi/emails is not the worst a politician has done.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/01/clinton-spat-with-benghazi-mom-takes-back-seat-to-trump-khan-debate.html

Clinton spat with Benghazi mom takes back seat to Trump-Khan debate

“Media cover this election as a referendum on Trump while voters see it as a referendum on Hillary. That won’t change voters’ perspective.”

Meanwhile right-leaning sites such as Town Hall have published headlines blaring “Have we forgotten that Hillary Clinton pretty much called a Gold Star Mother a liar?”

Smith, the mother of Foreign Service officer Sean Smith, made a passionate speech at the Republican National Convention two weeks ago, mournfully remembering her dead son and laying the blame for his murder at Clinton’s feet. Pat Smith has repeatedly said Clinton blamed the anti-Muslim video for inspiring the Benghazi attacks, a charge Clinton has denied.

“Since then, I have repeatedly asked Hillary Clinton to explain to me the real reason why my son is dead,” Smith said during her RNC speech. “I’m still waiting.”

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During a March Democratic debate, Clinton said of Smith, “I can’t imagine the grief she has about losing her son. But she’s wrong. She’s absolutely wrong.”

But the Clinton-Smith back-and-forth has seen little coverage as opposed to the attention given to the aftermath of Khan’s Thursday speech at the Democratic National Convention, when the father of dead soldier Capt. Humayun Khan rebuked Trump for his proposed Muslim immigration ban.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh he's an idiot but people follow him so atleast he has that going for him. Blind leading the blind, essentially. Hillary did an interview with Fox News which was outside the box seeing how Fox hates her. She atleast appeared knowledgeable on the questions asked but she didn't expand on her policies which us annoying at this point. She's still unable to take command of the camera. Which adds to her disingenuous perception. Her being a liar is moot at this point. They're ALL liars I just find it odd why she's so...hated so passionately. Benghazi/emails is not the worst a politician has done.

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She's hated because she's probably the most disengenuous politician out there. She insults everyone's intelligence with needless pandering. She sucks the naive in with her pitiful cliches that point a picture of a world that doesn't exist. That's why.

I don't like either of them, but I'm going to vote for Clinton because at this point I'm just voting for the person who I think is less likely to set the world on fire, and Trump has shown he lacks any form of discipline, thoughtfulness or self control, and I fear he'd cause an international incident over some dumb spat that he'd likely start with another world leader. His bizarre feud with the Khans over the past several days has shown him to be mentally and emotionally unfit for the job as president, I think.

Regardless, I suspect whoever wins will be a one term president, with their unfavorable ratings being so high already - those will only get worse once they get into office.

Also I don't want conservative Supreme Court judges who will overturn Roe v Wade and will outlaw gay marriage/rights. The coming president will possibly be placing multiple Supreme court justices, that is enough to not vote for the republican in this case, along with Trump's lunacy and stupidity.

I also just find myself not respecting Donald Trump. I find him to just be a buffoon, a clown, and someone who only exists to sometimes say something so stupid that it is amusing to me. I just don't respect him as a human being.

You see the problem is people think either of these people could set the world on fire. The problem is when you have people who go "oh do you want Trump with his finger on the button?!" as if there is this wacky system in place where the President can press a single button and fire all these nukes without having to get approval from anyone but himself.

No, just..No. America will survive either of these people. So I feel the "Trump will ruin the world so I'm going for Hilary" outlook is just lacking in any semblance of logic. It's a cop out. We say Trump is more immature, but why? Because he goes back and forth with people who show up to start shit with him? Is it anymore emotionally mature to lie and manipulate people?(Hint, it's not). Is it anymore mature to, when your own shadiness is brought up, to just go "well...tax returns..and shit!!!" in regards to Trump? Nope, not at all.

People think you can only be immature by being loud and obnoxious, but wrong..that's not how this works.

Is there really any proof that a conservative dominated Supreme Court is going to overturn Roe vs. Wade? And as far as Trump goes, I wonder if he's doing it just to stay in the spotlight. What happens if he kills it during the debates? It would show his entire act has been just that (I'm not optimistic). Either way, I agree about either candidate being a one term president.

Plus is the alternative for the liberal court any better?

Plus one term presidents? Eh, if Hilary wins she has another 4 years to spin propaganda, and she'll have the power of her office to enforce other stuff.

Mark my words: if we let her in she will stay in the white house as long as is allowed. She's probably the type who would try to change it so you could have 3 terms.

I am having less and less patience with Trump as time goes. If he messes up in the debates, I'm not voting in this election. I don't think either one are going to destroy the world. We have a system of checks and balances for a reason.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
She's hated because she's probably the most disengenuous politician out there. She insults everyone's intelligence with needless pandering. She sucks the naive in with her pitiful cliches that point a picture of a world that doesn't exist. That's why.

Hmmm isn't politics at its very core pandering?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm isn't politics at its very core pandering?
shouldn't be if you have character and something to offer. Hilary doesn't so she has to resort to pandering. Her husband didn't have to do that. Neither did Reagan or Obama.

Originally posted by Surtur
You see the problem is people think either of these people could set the world on fire. The problem is when you have people who go "oh do you want Trump with his finger on the button?!" as if there is this wacky system in place where the President can press a single button and fire all these nukes without having to get approval from anyone but himself.

No, just..No. America will survive either of these people. So I feel the "Trump will ruin the world so I'm going for Hilary" outlook is just lacking in any semblance of logic. It's a cop out. We say Trump is more immature, but why? Because he goes back and forth with people who show up to start shit with him? Is it anymore emotionally mature to lie and manipulate people?(Hint, it's not). Is it anymore mature to, when your own shadiness is brought up, to just go "well...tax returns..and shit!!!" in regards to Trump? Nope, not at all.

People think you can only be immature by being loud and obnoxious, but wrong..that's not how this works.

That is not a very reassuring argument. You are essentially telling me that there are safeguards in place to keep a president from enacting anything that may indeed lead to a global disaster, that's not going to make me more likely to vote for Trump. I don't want to rely on safeguards to keep a president from doing something stupid because he lacks basic impulse control, I want a president who won't make those decisions in the first place.

You ask why. The answer is by seeing how his campaign is run. Campaigns are important because they act as a microcosm into how the candidate would run the country. And Trump's campaign just seems to be nothing but chaos. There seems to be no planning, no thoughtfulness, no self control. If he runs his campaign in such a way, there is no reason to think that he'd run the country any better. Also the way he constantly lashes out at anyone who criticizes him is important. It shows that he is an insecure human being, and that he has extremely thin skin - not a good trait for a president. A president has to be able to simply ignore some things, and know when to keep your mouth shut. How will he react if another world leader criticizes him? I think he may absolutely do something stupid or reckless that ends up hurting the nation/world in some way. Do I literally think he's going to try and launch nukes at someone who makes fun of his hair or complexion? No. But his temperament matters to me, and when I see how he's so easy to distract, that is not a trait I find acceptable.

You also referenced his tax returns, as if it's not a reasonable criticism - it absolutely is. He's running on his supposed success as a business man, and he references his personal wealth constantly, however, his tax returns are essentially the only way to fact check those things, and he's suspiciously withholding them.

And yes, Hillary is shady and a liar, but that is the business. Trump has lied, Trump has done shady things in his past as well. As far as I'm concerned that is a wash. Clinton at least comes across has having some semblance of self control and the ability to think before she speaks/acts. I don't think Trump does, which is why I refuse to vote for him.

Other problems with him include, yes, he has said he wants to overturn Roe V Wade, and his running mate is a Christian loon who has supported gay conversion therapy and is against gay rights. Even if you ignore all else I've said about Trump, those two things alone are disqualifying for me.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
shouldn't be if you have character and something to offer. Hilary doesn't so she has to resort to pandering. Her husband didn't have to do that. Neither did Reagan or Obama.

Pandering doesn't necessarily have to do with character. Like when trump pulled that cinco de mayo stunt or when hillary said she kept "hot sauce" in her purse. I think it's just an ill conceived attempt by many politicans to cater to a certain demographic

Doesn't really matter. At this point I am absolutely certain Trump is a Hillary plant. What better way to make Hillary look good in light of the wikileaks scandal than make perhaps his most offensive comments yet, to a grieving father of a war veteran, and even to a crying baby. A crying baby. Even the dumbest politician in the world wouldn't deride a crying baby.

IMO he's purposely trying to make Hillary look good. And that's not including the GOP. With his latest comments against Paul Ryan, and Obama urging the GOP to denounce Trump, it seems clear that Trump is upping the ante on his offensiveness in order to make himself as unelectable as possible for Hillary.

People saying he's not working for Hillary are fools. Hillary is a member of the Bilderberg Group, along with Henry Kissinger, Ben Bernanke, David Petraeus the Rockfellers and Rothschilds, Royal Dutch Shell, Google, and many others whose combined wealth and power easily crush Trump's. Trump has clearly either been bought or threatened, because his latest antics, especially with the crying baby, seem like deliberate self-sabotage of his campaign.

Doesn't really matter. At this point I am absolutely certain Trump is a Hillary plant. What better way to make Hillary look good in light of the wikileaks scandal than make perhaps his most offensive comments yet, to a grieving father of a war veteran, and even to a crying baby. A crying baby. Even the dumbest politician in the world wouldn't deride a crying baby.

He's not making Hilary look good, he's making himself look bad. There's a difference. The more convincing theory is that Trump went to every considerably funded gambling den in the country, and bet against himself. Now he's tanking and will come out of this with 8 to 9 figures.

People saying he's not working for Hillary are fools. Hillary is a member of the Bilderberg Group, along with Henry Kissinger, Ben Bernanke, David Petraeus the Rockfellers and Rothschilds, Royal Dutch Shell, Google, and many others whose combined wealth and power easily crush Trump's. Trump has clearly either been bought or threatened, because his latest antics, especially with the crying baby, seem like deliberate self-sabotage of his campaign.

Take the tin foil hat off. Nobody is threatening another billionaire, especially not for someone who pales in comparison in net worth.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
If he messes up in the debates, I'm not voting in this election.

If?

He is already running scared, and announced Friday that he is planning to skip the debates.

Man, if he does actually skip out on the debates then he's completely done, that'd be the most cowardly thing he could do.

He's not skipping the debates.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Doesn't really matter. At this point I am absolutely certain Trump is a Hillary plant. What better way to make Hillary look good in light of the wikileaks scandal than make perhaps his most offensive comments yet, to a grieving father of a war veteran, and even to a crying baby. A crying baby. Even the dumbest politician in the world wouldn't deride a crying baby.

IMO he's purposely trying to make Hillary look good. And that's not including the GOP. With his latest comments against Paul Ryan, and Obama urging the GOP to denounce Trump, it seems clear that Trump is upping the ante on his offensiveness in order to make himself as unelectable as possible for Hillary.

People saying he's not working for Hillary are fools. Hillary is a member of the Bilderberg Group, along with Henry Kissinger, Ben Bernanke, David Petraeus the Rockfellers and Rothschilds, Royal Dutch Shell, Google, and many others whose combined wealth and power easily crush Trump's. Trump has clearly either been bought or threatened, because his latest antics, especially with the crying baby, seem like deliberate self-sabotage of his campaign.

Although you speak truth, i at least want Trump to be president. Hillary has actually convinced the world she is not a puppet establishment joke set to destroy the civilised world, even after 8 years of Obama doing exactly that. Shes convinced people that having a vagina AND a husband who used to be president is enough credential to be president. Whereas Trump on the other hand is the closest thing to a regular person being president since, well, Reagan, I guess. True democracy at its finest and the fact that the mainstream expert patronising ****wits in the media, colleges and congress cant understand why we are following him after all theyve said is simple. We dont want their opinion of why Hilary is probably the best out of all of them, we want our own choice. We want a guy who will actually build a wall and make us laugh. After all the shit muslim refugees have done its about time we stood up for ourselves and said, **** em. Trump as far as I can see, and some bullshit from five thirty eight or politifact is not going to convince me otherwise.

Bullshit from 538 and politifact? You mean statistical analysis and facts won't convince you otherwise? Interesting.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Bullshit from 538 and politifact? You mean statistical analysis and facts won't convince you otherwise? Interesting.
No, opinions and assertions of anti-Trump rhetoric or distorting viewpoints into a narrow monded view that Hillary is the lesser of two evils and only every person who watches mainstream news is smart enough to have this view doesnt convince me.

Trump is not a party establishment figure. He is above politics. He is bane.