Marvel - DC Strength Equivalencies
Pick the closest Marvel character in strength to the following DC characters. And say how close (ideally, almost equal).
Superman (All-Out)
Superman (regular Day)
Wonder Woman (God of War, No Bracers)
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers on)
Shazam!/Black Adam
Martian Manhunter
Orion
Aquaman
I haven't done all the math here, but this is my baseline Marvel vs. DC heuristic:
Gladiator/Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Hyperion/Hercules/Wonder Woman (DCnU, Bracers On, Not God of War)/Orion/Shazam!/Black Adam
I think these guys are all basically the same strength. There may be others who end up on that level, like Blue Marvel, but there is more uncertainty about them. A lot of these guys are established as near or complete strenth equals with one another in the same company. I feel this list is pretty stable and solid and a good starting point for then extrapolating other matchups.
Let me try:
Superman (all out)--Sentry in World War Hulk, Kurse at full power, Thanos (this is pretty variable. We can't just use OWAW here as some writers have an all-out Superman who doesn't get that much of a boost. Still, he's capable of exceeding even the double-amped Wonder Woman.)
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers off)--Thor w/ Belt of Strength, Nefaria, Kurse (a range here--not quite sure where she is in that range)
Superman (normal day)--Can't really think of a Marvel character here. I think regular Superman is closer to the tier below than the one above.
Wonder Woman (God of War/Bracers on)--Blue Marvel (assuming he has a small edge over Thor, etc.)/Blood and Thunder Thor
Shazam/Black Adam/Orion/Wonder Woman (no God of War, Bracers on)--Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Gladiator/Hyperion/Hercules
Martian Manhunter--Gilgamesh
Aquaman--Ikaris
Originally posted by carver9
Superman (All-Out) - Hyperion
Superman (regular Day) - Thor
Wonder Woman (God of War, No Bracers) - Thanos
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers on) - Bill
Shazam!/Black Adam - Is this new 52 versions
Martian Manhunter
Orion - Blue Marvel
Aquaman - Ares
In no world, Wonder woman is stronger than Superman.
Unless you think Hyperion is stronger than Thanos that is.
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Re: Re: Marvel - DC Strength Equivalencies
Originally posted by carver9
Superman (All-Out) - Hyperion
Superman (regular Day) - Thor
Wonder Woman (God of War, No Bracers) - Thanos
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers on) - Bill
Shazam!/Black Adam - Is this new 52 versions
Martian Manhunter
Orion - Blue Marvel
Aquaman - Ares
Isn't Ares like a 70 tonner?..
I keep forgetting we post at two different sites; thought my post(s) had been erased.
Anyhow:
Superman (All-Out)-(Pissed off) Hulk
Superman (regular Day)-Hulk
Wonder Woman (God of War, No Bracers)-Blood & Thunder Thor
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers on)-Blue Marvel
Shazam!/Black Adam-(fully confident) Gladiator
Martian Manhunter-Hyperion
Orion-Hyperion
Aquaman-Sub Mariner
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Let me try:Superman (all out)--Sentry in World War Hulk, Kurse at full power, Thanos (this is pretty variable. We can't just use OWAW here as some writers have an all-out Superman who doesn't get that much of a boost. Still, he's capable of exceeding even the double-amped Wonder Woman.)
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers off)--Thor w/ Belt of Strength, Nefaria, Kurse (a range here--not quite sure where she is in that range)
Superman (normal day)--Can't really think of a Marvel character here. I think regular Superman is closer to the tier below than the one above.
Wonder Woman (God of War/Bracers on)--Blue Marvel (assuming he has a small edge over Thor, etc.)/Blood and Thunder Thor
Shazam/Black Adam/Orion/Wonder Woman (no God of War, Bracers on)--Thor/Beta Ray Bill/Gladiator/Hyperion/Hercules
Martian Manhunter--Gilgamesh
Aquaman--Ikaris
There were only 2 instances where it was told Superman went all out. In DOS and in OWAW. Other times were retconn as mental blocks that could only be released through mediation and training.
Superman is at least 5 times more powerful going all out.
1. He fought DD for hours without being able to damage him to killing him in a few panels.
2. He fought a single probe for a long time to killing multiple of them with one shot each.
Superman all out would be close to no one in Marvel. WBH would exceed him and WWH would be far beneath him.
Regular Superman would be close to WWH
Originally posted by riv6672
That started out interesting, segued into masking sense then gutter balled into silly.
If you mean H1, I usually skim or skip right over his posts if I'm just reading, and decide whether it's actually worth the headache of dealing with his not understanding comics when I actively debate a topic.
I've gotten so good at not paying attention to him that unless I feel I have to engage him, it's like I have him on ignore.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If you mean H1, I usually skim or skip right over his posts if I'm just reading, and decide whether it's actually worth the headache of dealing with his not understanding comics when I actively debate a topic.I've gotten so good at not paying attention to him that unless I feel I have to engage him, it's like I have him on ignore.
Lol...I do the same thing (now let me get back to replying to your other post).
Originally posted by riv6672
I keep forgetting we post at two different sites; thought my post(s) had been erased.
Anyhow:[b]
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Superman (All-Out)-(Pissed off) Hulk
Superman (regular Day)-Hulk
Wonder Woman (God of War, No Bracers)-Blood & Thunder Thor
Wonder Woman (God of War, Bracers on)-Blue Marvel
Shazam!/Black Adam-(fully confident) Gladiator
Martian Manhunter-Hyperion
Orion-Hyperion
Aquaman-Sub Mariner
Is Hulk the only being comparable to Superman in Marvel when it comes to strength?
Hulk is basically the only mainstream, prominent Marvel hero who can match or exceed Superman at strength when Superman is having one of his "Superhero to superheroes, the whole world depends on me" moments.
But Superman has lots of peers at DC or Marvel when he's just at his baseline (whatever that is)--just like Hulk. Difference is, Hulk's "baseline" is even more ephemeral than Superman's.