Originally posted by Syndicate
Secondly Revan does so with a team thus lessening the impressiveness of the feat. Whatever your thoughts on their contribution are they were a boon to Revan and given we've seen highly trained non force sensitives take down force sensitives in the past ( Cipher Nine/Jango Fett ) I wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a lot of the weight in clearing out the station.
It's a better endurance feat, yes. Unless you're saying superior endurance feats put Revan above Krayt as a duelist I don't see how that's relevant.
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Originally posted by Syndicate
Fair enough, did he have the team with him?
Was he unable to use Force abilities as your claiming? Also, quote for the SF being a superior nexus to Korriban?
The greatest focal point of power on Korriban is the Star Map.
The Star Forge is infinitely greater than the Star Map.
Do the math. 👆
Originally posted by DarthAnt66No, it doesn't. And the notion the aid of two companions completely makes the feat mute is ridiclous. Like I said, Canderous Ordo would not be helpful in close-quarter combat against Dark Jedi. That's just common sense. Even if we then assume Revan brought someone like Jolee, he's honestly no more skilled than the rank-and-file Sith Revan is confronting anyone. He's clearly doing all the heavy-lifting, hence why in the conversation between Darth Malak and his minion, they specifically refer to Revan as being the main (and really only) threat and order the apprentices and soldiers to attack him in particular. 😬
Because killing four Imperial Knights that are already comparable to the Dark Jedi is better than fighting dozens to hundreds of said Dark Jedi. 😂
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He had Juhani and Carth Onasi. Juhani's just as capable as just one Sith acolyte, and Carth hurts more than he helps.
He had difficulty calling upon the light side on Korriban, yeah.
The greatest focal point of power on Korriban is the Star Map.
The Star Forge is infinitely greater than the Star Map.
Do the math. 👆 [/B]
Yes, it does? ( See how arbitrary statements work? )
Why? Because he's not a force user? Didn't stop Jango ( a non force user in case you're unaware ) from raping multiple Jedi simultaneously whilst unarmed. I don't see why the future Mandalore would be unable to even partially replicate such a feat.
Simply because someone is the main threat doesn't make their support any less relevant. Meetra and Scourge were flees to someone like Vitiate yet Meetra's saber throw saved Revan's life.
Refer to my post addressing the logic behind assuming their were hundreds of Dark Jedi.
Somehow I don't think you're being honest about these two's capabilities. 🙂 Anyone else mind bringing me up to date on these two?
The Star Map being a particular powerful focal point on Korriban doesn't make it a more powerful Dark Side nexus then the entirety of the planet. It just means it increases the darkness in the area it resides in which would make sense that it's a focal point given its increasing the darkness in an area already filled with the darkside. Similarly the Star Forge itself can be a stronger the the Star Map as a whole but it doesn't take away from the Star Maps own power.
Example: If the Star Map was on the the SF it would likely be a focal point of power on the station as its adding its own darkness to the Star Forge.
Any of this getting through?
No, no, and no.
Assuming all Mandalorians fight alike is pretty stupid. In KotOR, Ordo is a ranged fighter with a massive ranged heavy weapon.
The game even confirms that his weapon should be used in "ranged" conditions and that he specializes in "ranged fighting."
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In regards to Carth Onasi, here's his official description:
"Carth is a basic human soldier; he can wear any kind of armor he desires, but he has no special skills to make him stand out from your more flamboyant crew members."
And Juhani was a borderline failed Jedi apprentice bested by Dantooine!Revan with relative ease. 😬
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Your Star Forge / Map argument is just retarded, primarily because it seems clear you haven't fully grasped my point. The Star Map is the greatest focal point of power on Korriban. However, even a fingernail of the Star Forge's power was enough to "sustain" multiple sentient beings. The fingernail was able to grow to a size large enough to supply for every need of the entire Ongree population located in Darth Revan's stronghold on Nar Shaddaa, which included food, clothing, weapons, etc. Revan mused that one day, such power would be capable of creating entire galaxies. Given the Star Map appears to be made of the same Rakata tech of the Star Forge, with the only difference is one was created with the intent of being a map while the other to literally collect and manifest dark side power into physical objects, we can assume that the power of the Star Map dwarfs the same respective area it would occupy in the Star Forge - let alone the entire station itself.
Thus, the general nexus of Korriban is inferior to that of the Star Map, and then the Star Map is inferior to the Star Forge.
Honestly, if just a fingernail of the Star Forge's power is enough to literally allow beings to survive off of it, than I'm not sure why you're seriously trying to argue the Korriban nexus can even compare.
Once again, applying even a little bit of logic can really help. 👆
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So, really, getting back to the actual main point, the Imperial Knights honestly have just as impressive accolades as the Dark Jedi that we know Revan fought en masse. Even if you want to dispute the Star Forge feat by hiding behind ignorance, the Korriban feat is still there - alive and well. Revan cutting through hundreds of Sith apprentices (which isn't even including their masters) on a world where it's difficult to call upon the Force is, in my eyes, sufficient evidence to put him beyond Darth Krayt. Saying it's not either means your in denial or can't comprehend the full scope of the feat.
I mean, like shit, Revan running through the Manaan compound is honestly more impressive than killing four Imperial Knights. Let's be real here. 😬
Originally posted by Syndicate
Fair enough, did he have the team with him then as well? And are there any instances Revan is shown facing multiple force users simultaneously?
However, when you look at the developments in a game from strictly storytelling perspective, you concentrate on dialogue and cut-scenes. Consider the following example:
When Revan infiltrated Star Forge, Darth Malak was alerted to his presence (or sensed his presence) and his initial decision was to dispatch an 'army' of Star Forge battle-droids to stop Revan. It is implied that Star Forge battle-droids were far from ordinary and capable of defeating Jedi. However, Revan destroyed this army, and he was (exclusively) credited for this victory by Darth Malak and his commander in their next meeting. The game also gives us an impression that Revan's progress was being closely monitored. Afterwards, Darth Malak ordered his commander to dispatch all available troops and Sith to confront Revan.
Now, Star Forge was an enormous structure. One would logically expect a substantial presence of Imperial forces in it; thousands would be a reasonable estimate. Of-course, Dark Jedi and Sith would be minority among them but it is not far-fetched to expect them to be lot more than a dozen in total. Darth Malak could not afford to take Battle of Rakata Prime casually; he would have ordered every [available] well-trained Dark Jedi and Sith to participate in this battle to ensure victory.
I don't remember every dialogue taking place in KoTOR game but most of what I have stated is hinted/implied in the game.
As for Revan taking on several opponents simultaneously, I don't think this is far-fetched assumption either. He is officially (and exclusively) credited for defeating an army of Star Forge battle-droids and high-profile individuals in the Star Forge. I recall that you have to proceed solo from the position of Bastila Shan, no matter what. She denies entry of your companions in her chamber. After tackling her, you are forced to confront another 'army' of Star Forge battle-droids and this time you also need to sabotage machinery summoning them non-stop.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Was he unable to use Force abilities as your claiming? Also, quote for the SF being a superior nexus to Korriban? Regardless the gameplay allows you to employ your force abilities on the SF. You'd think if it was the writers intentions to get across the fact that the SF was hindered Revan's abilities to employ offensive force capabilities they would have made that known whether in the Prima Guide or via actual gameplay.
Originally posted by Syndicate
He may and he may not. Neither you or I are aware of how capable he would be against an enemy force user but given the previous examples I mentioned I find it to be possible, hell even likely, that members like Canderous aided Revan a great deal aboard the Star Forge and other missions as well.