Like even despite Hoth being largely unknown, objective facts about the duelists in his time pretty much disprove the notion of him being the best duelist of the era, and based on observed feats it's clear that Bane is the best duelist of the era.
So even the unknown card doesn't excuse Hoth here, since claiming Hoth>Bane in lightsaber combat contradicts established lore.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually there is something wrong with using your imagination for a versus video, lol.
How? A Vs. match is like a story. Something you put thought and consideration into. You need to use imagination and creativity to consider all the different factors in play.
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Actually based on observed feats it's clear that Bane is the best duelist of the era.
No it's not. Bane's "feats" are mainly due to him having a lot of familiarity with his opponents or the "unfair" advantages the orbalisks provide. He's a really good duellist sure, but not the best of the era.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Chilled, so you admit you were retarded when you arguing Palpatine isn't a master duelist?
Uh pardon? I acknowledged that he was highly skilled. I just pointed out the facts. He WAS flailing around like a moron and he DOES win battles due to Force power more than anything else.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Further yet, you admit you are just a drone of Jen, regurgitating what he says like a prostitute?
I'm merely correcting people and explaining why they're mistaken.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Plo and Shaak get way too much credit on these idiots' videos.
LOL! Typical Sith fanboy.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Making shit up is a terrible way to argue something.
First, they aren't "arguing" anything. There's no sense of anger or hostility. They aren't trying to sway people over to anything. Their videos are just meant for fun.
Second, they aren't "making **** up." All of their speculations have at least some basis on what is shown "on-screen." Plus sometimes you have to speculate a little. One reason I'm such a big fan of Jensaarai1 is his "Vindican vs. Luminara" video. He was able to construct an entire analysis of a character that's only appeared in one trailer. That shows an amazing degree of imagination and creativity.
Going back to my first point, Vs. match-ups between Character A and Character B are meant to be FUN. People shouldn't take them too seriously.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I have a game. Say something that these guys said that you actually agreed with and thought was a good point. Has to be non-trivial.
1) Darth Traya is overhyped and not as powerful as many people think. Don't get me wrong, she IS really powerful but the thing most people point to is when she sucked three Jedi Masters dry. Jensaarai1 very sensibly pointed out that in that case she had spent five minutes meditating and gathering her power beforehand, meaning she can't just Force Suck anybody at the drop of a hat.
It shows very clearly that you can't just go by feats alone. You need to look at the context of how and when said feat occurred.
2) Qui-Gon would most likely defeat Ven Zallow because he has customised Ataru to better suit his needs while Zallow uses the textbook version. This means Jinn could quickly suss out his moves.
This is an excellent point for two reasons. First it shows how even though two people on paper use the same fighting style they are not necessarily identical since one may have modified it while the other remains standard. Two, it shows an element people often overlook; tactics. People often forget that the winner isn't always the "most powerful" or "most skilled." Sometimes the winner is decided by who's smartest. Knowledge is power.
There are others but that's enough for now.
Jensaarai1 very sensibly pointed out that in that case she had spent five minutes meditating and gathering her power beforehand, meaning she can't just Force Suck anybody at the drop of a hat.
Which is exactly what Neph meant by "making shit up", that's fanon bullshít, the game files clearly indicate that is not why she didn't go into the council chambers, and given she dispatched Visas beforehand, she'd hardly been doing nothing but prepping to drain someone 😬
Like Sel says, Traya used the Force prior to entering the council chambers and then to TK the council. The idea that she prepped for the drain is just a speculation with no evidence and is contradicted by her using the Force prior to her drain.
This also applies with Zallow apparently just using textbook Ataru, which is again just fanon garbage.
I could easily counter that Qui-Gon's Ataru would be less effective than Zallows because of his age, which limits his stamina and physicals. An argument that is actually supported in evidence.
And these guys ARE forming arguments to support their ideas. The fact that so many of these arguments are built around faulty assumptions and flat out lies is why they lack a shred of credibility, along with their clear incompetence.