Originally posted by AncientPowerLol Marek was not nearly in his prime by Felucia, and being taught by Vader does not make him remotely Vader-tier in skill, not when Vader was holding back, every time.
Vader > Malgus, Vader put Galen through hours of daily sparring sessions until he had nearly perfected his dueling abilities. That is all before the beginning of the novel, where Galen gets more skilled and powerful throughout until his prime as a dark sider on Felucia. Unless we're suggesting Malgus is Vader tier in skill, then we should probably stop with that line of thought.
Originally posted by Selenial"The troopers started firing before he had taken two paces toward them. They were dead long before he reached the door, killed by their own reflected fire. The Imperial Guard lasted barely as long, felled with four swift lightsaber strokes then shocked with lightning as he dropped backward to the ground. The apprentice' nodded, satisfied that his skills had improved since Nar Shaddaa."
Please explain how anything he did post Felucia actually increased his skill with a blade 🙂
Because y'know, Galen is gaining constant practical experience. 👆
Not to mention I recently looked into the TFU timeline and the entire story takes place from 19BBY to 21BBY meaning it's a story that takes place over 2 years and with Nar Shaddaa being the midway point that would mean it's been at least a year of constantly fighting through armies of varied and powerful combatants before ultimately facing powerful enemy force users who often employed multiple forms in their fighting styles along with taking advantage of environments they were familiar with that Galen was not. It would be strange if Galen's already near perfect lightsaber skills HADN'T improved.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Nah, Galen was on a Lightside nexus empowering Shaak and weakening him and he had just fought through an army of force users who used the Force as easily as humans breathe oxygen along with their rancor mounts
Silly Syndi, you should know it's only impressive when Meetra does shit like that. 😉
Originally posted by Beniboybling
"The troopers started firing before he had taken two paces toward them. They were dead long before he reached the door, killed by their own reflected fire. The Imperial Guard lasted barely as long, felled with four swift lightsaber strokes then shocked with lightning as he dropped backward to the ground. The apprentice' nodded, satisfied that his skills had improved since Nar Shaddaa."Because y'know, Galen is gaining constant practical experience. 👆
That doesn't mention anything about skill with a blade. To put some context into what you're spouting, here's the fight with the Shadow Guard on Nar Shadaa:
"He broke off communications to block a downward slash that almost knocked him flat. Glancing around for Kota, he was relieved to see that the general was nowhere nearby. Now he could summon the full power of the dark side. Drawing on the sense of betrayal and shock he had felt on seeing the figure waiting for him—this deadly, dark assassin who might or might not have something to do with Darth Vader—he pushed with all his might. His ears rang, such was the energy he released. The dock buckled underneath him; rivets popped and welds tore. His assailant went flying across the wide space, arms spread wide apart. The saber-staff cut a long, twisting line in the metal floor as its owner rolled and came up standing."
Quite literally they engaged each other once, which didn't end the life of the Shadow Guard because Marek was planning a rendezvous with Juno, paying literally no attention to the duel... After that, Marek ended him with copious displays of Force Power.
So I don't see how one can be compared to the other, and justify "skills improving" when in one fight he chose not to engage the foe with a Lightsaber. The logical conclusion would be his skills as an overall combatant, one less inclined to fall back on passionate displays of Force Power. Especially given had been forced to completely change his combat style in order to fit in with Kota.
Even if you want to say this quote applies directly and solely to Lightsaber duels, how much of an improvement could there really be? This passage comes from the Kashyyk mission, which takes place immediately after the mission to Nar Shaddaa. The only "practical experience" he'd had was fighting PR0XY in a training simulation. The Novel even goes to discuss how rarely Juno allowed that aboard the ship, given how it terrified her, so it's not even like you can pretend him and PR0XY had trained hundreds of times.
So yeh, even if you want to take this quote as applying only to Lightsaber Dueling, which makes no sense, to suggest the difference between Felucia!Galen and Death Star Galen is huge is to suggest that sparring with PR0XY a couple of times incited a more dramatic increase in dueling ability than training with Vader for 15 years and defeating numerous Jedi Masters.
Right mmm
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah, the fact that Marek goes from almost losing to Shaak Ti to defeating Darth Vader should be all the proof we need he improved considerably in power and skill. But apparently not. 🙂
Your logic is circular as ever, my dear.
"Shaak Ti's shit because Galen was far from prime with a blade. Galen was obviously far from his prime because he couldn't beat Shaak Ti."
Right 🤣
Contexts? What relevance does his fight with the Shadow Guard have exactly? Those weren't Shadow Guards he was dispatching in that extract I posted. Regardless you're still wrong, as he dispatches three further "Sith assassins" after that, all with his lightsaber.
Finally AP was referring to his prime in general, as was I. Which doesn't leave you with much of an argument left.
Your logic is circular as ever, my dear.Do you read Sel? Because you've failed to do so twice now."Shaak Ti's shit because Galen was far from prime with a blade. Galen was obviously far from his prime because he couldn't beat Shaak Ti."
Right 🤣
But yeah, suggesting Shaak Ti is on level with Vader in power and skill is cancer. 👆
Sel, the quote you just posted comes from the Nar Shaddaa mission not Kashyyyk. I'm reading the passage right now. And the quote you posted states that Galen can't draw on the full power of the Darkside while Kota was present. The quote that Galen's skills improved is also from then Nar Shaddaa mission. As Beni mention Galen faces numerous Shadow Guards up to his final mission on the Death Star and as far as I know a Shadow Guard is not limited by either Palpatine or Vader in how technically skilled with their chosen weapon they can become, only in applicable power. And we know that the maximum Shadow Guard limit in regards to applicable force power is at least being able to challenge Nar Shaddaa Galen Marek in a force lock ( though ultimately losing ). This would set a pretty high bar for these Shadow Guards wouldn't you agree? Perhaps not on the level of the masters Galen was facing at the beginning of TFU but certainly enough to hone and improve his skills.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Contexts? What relevance does his fight with the Shadow Guard have exactly? Those weren't Shadow Guards he was dispatching in that extract I posted. Regardless you're still wrong, as he dispatches three further "Sith assassins" after that, all with his lightsaber.
Finally AP was referring to his prime in general, as was I. Which doesn't leave you with much of an argument left.
Do you read Sel? Because you've failed to do so twice now.But yeah, suggesting Shaak Ti is on level with Vader in power and skill is cancer. 👆
Wrong, actually, she called it his "Prime as a Dark-Sider" which is almost entirely true, since by the time of the Kashyyk mission he was fighting as a Jedi.
And yes, the structure of your sentence indicates you're discussing an increase in skill. Having the word "and" in the statement "he improved considerably in power and skill." means you're saying "he improved considerably in skill." and "he improved considerably in power". Hence you're using incredibly circular logic for half of your statement 🙂
Originally posted by Syndicate
Sel, the quote you just posted comes from the Nar Shaddaa mission not Kashyyyk. I'm reading the passage right now. And the quote you posted states that Galen can't draw on the full power of the Darkside while Kota was present. The quote that Galen's skills improved is also from then Nar Shaddaa mission. As Beni mention Galen faces numerous Shadow Guards up to his final mission on the Death Star and as far as I know a Shadow Guard is not limited by either Palpatine or Vader in how technically skilled with their chosen weapon they can become, only in applicable power. And we know that the maximum Shadow Guard limit in regards to applicable force power is at least being able to challenge Nar Shaddaa Galen Marek in a force lock ( though ultimately losing ). This would set a pretty high bar for these Shadow Guards wouldn't you agree? Perhaps not on the level of the masters Galen was facing at the beginning of TFU but certainly enough to hone and improve his skills.
... Wrong.
I posted the excerpt from the Nar Shaddaa mission, yes, because that's what the "increase in skill" excerpt is talking about. Hence it is relevant.
Furthermore, the text states he can draw on the full power of the Dark side because Kota isn't present.
And no, Galen literally comments on how pathetically weak the Shadow guard was, and how easily he overpowered him with Lightning.
And if he's killing them in four strikes, no, it's not enough to hone or improve his skills.