Is Valkoriate pathetic?

I can see your meaning Tempest and while I do agree the premise seems sound, it doesn't really hold water too well past the "immortality" part of his existence. At that point, think about it, his and anyone else's priorities would and DO change. He achieved what countless Sith who, while they may have been stronger in certain areas or for the scant few even near him in strength, never achieved what he did so he doesn't have to claw and scrape at every possible way of gaining power anymore. Essentially it comes down to: I have eternity to build a mountain, I can take my time and go by pebbles if I wish and still get there. But you may only have a year. Thus you are going to find the quickest, most efficient way of building that mountain as possible. I can choose to do the same with inifitely more time, or go slower and safer and eventually surpass you anyways.

Ur pathetic temp

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Or add it to the end of the sentence? Lol

As usual, your stupidity astounds.

Originally posted by Vixas
I can see your meaning Tempest and while I do agree the premise seems sound, it doesn't really hold water too well past the "immortality" part of his existence. At that point, think about it, his and anyone else's priorities would and DO change. He achieved what countless Sith who, while they may have been stronger in certain areas or for the scant few even near him in strength, never achieved what he did so he doesn't have to claw and scrape at every possible way of gaining power anymore. Essentially it comes down to: I have eternity to build a mountain, I can take my time and go by pebbles if I wish and still get there. But you may only have a year. Thus you are going to find the quickest, most efficient way of building that mountain as possible. I can choose to do the same with inifitely more time, or go slower and safer and eventually surpass you anyways.

Originally posted by Sinious
Tbh he seems to have achieved immorality and an entire empire worshipping him and serving his will. He praises himself for having "the patience of stone and will of stars". He didn't spend decades same as a character in their 30s, 40s etc. with the worry of limited time and resource. So, saying that he sucks cause he gets overshadowed by characters like Sheev in time efficiency is kinda unjust since Palpatine isn't written as an immortal character (especially since he is originally a movie character), who at the same time is arguably the smartest and the most successful character in the lore.

Can't disagree that Vitiate's a ripoff and his story is ridiculous compared to what we see. I enjoy his dialogue though.

An intriguing defense. A couple of things, though: Prior to the ritual at Nathema, Vitiate apparently dedicated himself to Force scholarship for an entire century. There's no evidence to suggest that he's anything but fodder for the likes of Sheev and Krayt until after the ritual and a thousand years more.

That aside, is there any evidence to suggest that Valkoriate was half-assing his ambitions post-ritual?

Isn't it true that Vitiate spent most of his time secluded by himself experimenting with the Force and wanking instead of running his empire? Besides also spending half his time on Zakuul experimenting with creating the perfect society.

But yeah, the fact is that he had eternity if he wanted it and chose to build up a civilisation nearly from scratch in a manner that requires a great amount of time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Isn't it true that Vitiate spent most of his time secluded by himself experimenting with the Force and wanking instead of running his empire? Besides also spending half his time on Zakuul experimenting with creating the perfect society.

But yeah, the fact is that he had eternity if he wanted it and chose to build up a civilisation nearly from scratch in a manner that requires a great amount of time.

And is there any evidence to suggest that Valkoriate was personally involved for any meaningful stretch of time? You'll recall that he was primarily hands-off after landing on Dromund Kaas, retreating to study the Force while the Dark Council and other leaders actually rebuilt.

He either spent thousands of years accumulating a knowledge and power over the Force that barely surpassed Plagueis and fell short of Palptine, or he spent thousands of years building an empire that pales in comparison to Sheev or Krayt's. Either way he's a disappointment, and if any of the aforementioned names had been given his power and resources, they would have become gods. 🙂

Well he wasn't totally hands off, since it was notable when he actually stopped all contact with the Dark Council for a significant period of time. He was still involved with the process and met with the Council to give them directives. He just wasn't involved with the active day to day running of things. The Council would obviously be in charge of building shit or leading troops into battle.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well he wasn't totally hands off, since it was notable when he actually stopped all contact with the Dark Council for a significant period of time. He was still involved with the process and met with the Council to give them directives. He just wasn't involved with the active day to day running of things. The Council would obviously be in charge of building shit or leading troops into battle.

Hands-off =/= total absence of contact. Vitiate essentially kicked back and let others do the work for him on Dromund Kaas while he concerned himself with more "important" work: i.e. rituals and experiments.

Yeah, thats kind of what an Emperor does.

I mean Sidious didn't build the Death Star or go out and wreck rebels. He didn't build his fleet or training his stormtroopers. He just ordered it to happen and oversaw it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, thats kind of what an Emperor does.

I mean Sidious didn't build the Death Star or go out and wreck rebels. He didn't build his fleet or training his stormtroopers.

Sure.

Spoiler:
It's another way Vitiate's story emulatesrips off Palpatine's, see

But you can still have a hands-on administrator who, while not picking up the hammer and nail himself, is constantly involved with the process.

Vitiate? Not so much.

Because he was dealing with Force shit and living large and making babies on Zakuul. Both of which did give him great benefits. His Force knowledge has made him almost invincible and lead to his Galaxy ritual and Zakuul conquered the galaxy more or less.

Its not like Vitiate just wasted his time.

I'm not saying he was lounging around, smoking weed and eating Cheetos lol.

Hey, who knows. 🙂

Originally posted by Trocity
As usual, your stupidity astounds.

As usual, the point went over your head. Also, not sure you know what 'astounds' means but I think it's cute when a dumb adolescent desperately attempts to sound smart using big boy words 👆

Your rage edits are what's cute here. 🙂 And yes, it is rather astounding that you continue to approach chilled_monkey levels.

Lmao

Originally posted by Trocity
Your rage edits are what's cute here. 🙂 And yes, it is rather astounding that you continue to approach chilled_monkey levels.

At least you're consistently dumb.

I guess the most obvious giveaway would be the "Lasted edited by" indicator under the comment. I doubt graduating high school is a requirement to be a warehouse worker, but that doesn't mean common sense should elude you... unless your anger is clouding your judgement, of course.

Originally posted by Trocity
I guess the most obvious giveaway would be the "Lasted edited by" indicator under the comment. I doubt graduating high school is a requirement to be a warehouse worker, but that doesn't mean common sense should elude you... unless your anger is clouding your judgement, of course.