Originally posted by MS Warehouse
hmmm but you said my edits were "rage" edits, indicating you saw what i originally wrote, which also means you were hitting refresh like an angry child. Also, what's judgement? Is this getting too complicated for you? 😂
I actually deduced your anger from your second sentence starting with "Also", indicating you had originally posted your first sentence, stewed for a couple minutes in a teeth grinding rage, then thought of something you assumed would be clever. There's that whole "not graduating high school" thing, which you conveniently sidestepped, coming into play again. 😆
Originally posted by TrocityWarehouse has the same bit of unoriginal and unfunny insults for anyone who crosses paths with him on the Internet.
I actually deduced your anger from your second sentence starting with "Also", indicating you had originally posted your first sentence, stewed for a couple minutes in a teeth grinding rage, then thought of something you assumed would be clever. There's that whole "not graduating high school" thing, which you conveniently sidestepped, coming into play again. 😆
Originally posted by TrocityWarehouse is used to taking it.
I guess the most obvious giveaway would be the "Lasted edited by" indicator under the comment. I doubt graduating high school is a requirement to be a warehouse worker, but that doesn't mean common sense should elude you... unless your anger is clouding your judgement, of course.
Originally posted by Trocity
I actually deduced your anger from your second sentence starting with "Also", indicating you had originally posted your first sentence, stewed for a couple minutes in a teeth grinding rage, then thought of something you assumed would be clever. There's that whole "not graduating high school" thing, which you conveniently sidestepped, coming into play again. 😆
Inability to follow a discussion? Check
Inability to understand the words you are using? Check
Inability to spell the words you're using correctly? Check.
So like i said, consistently dumb
Btw, coming from someone still in high school, i find it amusing you're accusing someone else of not graduating. 😂
Originally posted by The_Tempest
An intriguing defense. A couple of things, though: Prior to the ritual at Nathema, Vitiate apparently dedicated himself to Force scholarship for an entire century. There's no evidence to suggest that he's anything but fodder for the likes of Sheev and Krayt until after the ritual and a thousand years more.That aside, is there any evidence to suggest that Valkoriate was half-assing his ambitions post-ritual?
Naturally, the character is all but non-existent as far as information before the ritual, besides bare-bones facts leading up to it. Though to be frank, I find it highly unlikely that the time-period leading up to it can be hand-waved away as pathetic due to the very fact the Nathema ritual happened and, more importantly, worked.
Keeping in mind the point of my "defense" focuses on the mindset change of someone going from lengthy-but-limited lifespan to what seems to be effective immortality, considering the... priority changes involved, no it's not really pathetic how far he go/has gotten. Especially considering Palpatine has also had a lot of build-up to him with the Banite line all preserving knowledge for him on and on, as well as making sure they all succeeded one-another in power and steeped the Force in so much Dark Side energy Plagueis and Palpatine were able to shift it as they did. Whereas Vitiate/Valkorion is more an example of a "hostile takeover" of say, a corporation, at a decent level then building it up slowly over time. Palpatine inherited the top spot through the preparation of those before him, then built titanically on top of it using what those before him prepared.
in direct response to your last question: yes and no. Given he was working on both the Sith Empire and Zakuul supposedly at once, yes. But if you're looking for a word-for-word, big flashing neon sign version of a quote stating such, then no.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Who the heck keeps reporting shit? Not that I necessarily disagree in this specific instance, however.KEK.
I log in here only 2 or 3 days a week... but I try to report every transgresion
Just abide the rules and I will have no reason to report 😉 Its not against anybody specificly
Re: Is Valkoriate pathetic?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Straightforward. I've maintained that what the character achieved relative to the time studied, the resources at his disposal, and the fact that he consumed the essence of thousands of Sith Lords... Makes him exceptionally lackluster compared with other characters.What do you think? Is he impressive or pathetic?
First, I will address the ritual part.
The objective of the implied ritual was to achieve corporeal immorality for indefinite period! An accomplishment unheard-of up to this time. Centuries later, Darth Plagueis had similar ambitions but his apprentice stopped him.
More notably, it is not easy to manipulate thousands of Sith to participate in a ritual that was essentially a trap for them but they did not realize it. By all accounts, Vitiate had to be extremely charismatic, smart and powerful to pull this off.
Now, coming towards other accomplishments.
Vitiate started from scratch while reconstituting the ancient Sith Empire. Think about finding suitable planets in the wild space, occupying them and developing the capability to extract their natural resources. Building an Empire from scratch is a lot of work. On top of the challenges of building an Empire, Vitiate had to conceal this entire endeavor from the Republic (a galactic superpower that sought to eradicate the Sith).
Palpatine never had to start from scratch. If mechanisms of Rule of Two had not been in affect, he would have been just another politician or an individual with unrealized potential. Anyways, my point is that we don't know how much time would Palpatine need to build an Empire from scratch in Vitiate's shoes. He might have laid the foundation of a civilization during his lifetime but would never had the time to transform it into a galactic superpower, capable of challenging another head-on.
Vitiate understood that the Sith Empire would need centuries to acquire technological superiority over the Republic and challenge it [head-on] due to limited resources at its disposal. This is why he remained patient for a long period. Any sane leader would, in his shoes.
Look at the examples of Exar Kun, Revan and Sith Triumvirate. They attempted to destroy and/or conquer the Republic but in vain. It was never easy to conquer the Republic through external means. On top of it, Sith were notorious for betraying each other.
However, Vitiate had a backup plan in mind as well. Should the Sith Empire fail to conquer the Republic, there would be another in the queue. Now imagine the effort needed to start from scratch again and build a new Empire that would be kept secret from both the Sith Empire and the Republic until the time was right. This is multi-tasking to the extreme.
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In the nutshell, I don't think that Vitiate's accomplishments are less impressive than those of others.
I wouldn't say he was pathetic, Valkorion/Vitiate was among the most powerful Force users the galaxy had ever seen, a DE Sidious level Force user capable of far more than any of his contemporaries. He did achieve the reconstruction of the Sith Empire from under the noses of the Jedi, waged a near successful war against the Republic in the Jedi Civil War (using Darths Revan and Malak as proxies), built a SECOND Empire out from under the noses of the galaxy, and single handedly brought both the Empire and the Republic to their knees with his armies in the Eternal Empire. Not to mention being one of the ONLY Sith Lords in history to have achieved immortality. So no, not pathetic.