Yoda vs RotS Vader

Originally posted by Nephthys
It's already defined. The scenes are wildly different and thus incompatible. Nothing else about that scene is valid but you're trying to say that only the thing you want should be accepted. Naw. Anakin has the epiphany because of something that doesn't occur. Theres no indication of it occuring in the movie and the sole evidence for it is totally unusable.

What are you even talking about? I've never tried to pull anything of the sort; if anything, that's what you're doing. 😂

Hey, if you arbitrarily don't want to acknowledge anything from the novel, totally fine; just don't reference the text in defense of Dooku.

I'll just go ahead and restate my comment that sparked this:

Well, except for that time he dominated Count Dooku.mmm

Which, epiphany or no, still happened onscreen. 👆

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
You could write down to whole story. I'm sure it would make an entertaining thread.

👆 Please do.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"I think you're a horrible person and I wish nothing but negative things befall you." --Syndicate

That must be the gayest way to say "kill yourself".

Now that I'm back online, I was going to reply, but NG entered the thread and that is basically a death knell for deniers. I needn't encroach on the arguments of a better debater.

Between Syndicate's emotional breakdown, Nephthys running away, and DC saying he wants nothing to do with the cause, this thread strikes as another win for the Anakin Brigade. 👆

Riiiiiight. 🙂

Begone. :no2:

You know

Where

Your true loyalties lie. 🙂

Originally posted by AncientPower
Now that I'm back online, I was going to reply, but NG entered the thread and that is basically a death knell for deniers. I needn't encroach on the arguments of a better debater.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Now that I'm back online, I was going to reply, but NG entered the thread and that is basically a death knell for deniers. I needn't encroach on the arguments of a better debater.

Do feel free to continue, I was just pitching in. I appreciate the compliment, though.

The true Lord and Savior of the Omniverse will crush your false God. 🙂

Originally posted by Syndicate
Yes it does.

"Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen. His own elegant [b]Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head. Especially not while also defending against a second attacker." [/B]

It doesn't f***ing say anywhere Dooku had a form disadvantage. The words "Disadvantage" or "Weakness" are nowhere to be seen.

What clearly is there to be seen is Dooku having a problem going "head to head" against BOTH of them, but this has no relevance whatsoever to Anakin and Dooku's 1v1 later. None.

Jeez learn to read.

Erm, it says Makashi can't meet Djem So head-to-head specifically (a weakness that most forms lack) especially with the presence of a second attacker, not only. Syn is on the money.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Please, if you're using the RotS novel as a basis for Anakin destroying Douku then you also need to accept that that same novel indicates Anakin was using Shien on their previous duels. Hence why Anakin surprises him with Djem So. So he didn't have the "form advantage" in their previous duels.

Firstly Shien has the same amount of "kinetic energy" as Djem So. Djem So is just the variant as applied to swordplay, so seems legit retarded if Anakin never used it in his previous duels.

Second, WTF? If Anakin was giving Dooku hell in all those previous duels without even using his proper Form, then of course he's going to Legit Punk Dooku now using his proper form when he's grown even stronger.

Form "Disadvantage" simply has no bearing on this fight. None at all.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Dooku was fighting Anakin and Obi-Wan together at the start of the fight and needed to expend energy beating Obi-Wan. So theres that too.

After which he replenishes his energy right? And then requires more energy to block each strike of Skywalker's than he needed to completely dispose of Obi-Wan 😬

If this was the only fight between the 2 we were going by them I certainly would count Obi-Wan as a factor.

But looking at the previous Anakin v Dooku duels, it seems to me pretty clear Skywalker was always going to win this fight. Probably not to the extent some people here are making out, but he's clearly above Dooku nontheless. And that's not because of a Firm advantage Lol

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Erm, it says Makashi can't meet Djem So head-to-head specifically (a weakness that most forms lack) especially with the presence of a second attacker, not only. Syn is on the money.

Nope. Makashi doesn't tend to go head to head. It uses footwork to avoid and precise parries to deflect attacks. Makashi is in fact a great form to use for defending against powerful blows:

https://youtu.be/7bYqIksEOek

https://youtu.be/PKgv6xyY5MM

Th ONLY time the word "weakness" is mentioned is funnily enough Djem So's lack of mobility, which Dooku in fact takes advantage of.

So Y'all need to learn to read. Dooku didn't lose because of a Form weakness LMAO

He lost because Anakin was better, but his form disadvantage evidently had something to do with it, or Stover wouldn't have noted on it.

And it tends to, but it also frequently uses blocks as well, something it's ineffective at doing against Djem So, ergo a weakness. In fact because of that he abandons blocks altogether in his first bout with Skywalker:

"He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to-strength"

And yes against those who employ it sloppily (though when Dooku tries to block Savage, he's thrown on his ass) but evidently not against a refined master like Anakin. Even as early as their fight on Naboo Dooku is struggling to block Anakin, and he becomes fatigued as a direct result.