Sam Witwer on Darth Maul vs Darth Vader; Maul's status among Force-users
Sam Witwer on Darth Maul vs Darth Vader; Maul's status among Force-users
Oh thank god, the new canon isn't gonna be pulling some survivors from the Jedi Purge that pop up later after the Empire. Or at least I hope not, given Sam's words here, that the Jedi are fracking dead.
That annoyed the hell out of me in the old EU and made both Obi-Wan's and Yoda's commentary meaningless.
But anyway, that said, interesting find about the Maul V Vader thing.
Witwer really emphasizes the gap between trained Force-users like Tano and Maul, and then half-trained Force-users or children of the Force like Kanan and Ezra. That's relieving to say the least, because I was genuinely worried about Kanan or Ezra potentially besting Maul in a fair fight, but that doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. Also, in Canon, the gap between Palpatine and Vader honestly does not seem even half as large as it was in the Legends-verse.
Abit however, I am kinda wondering though. Given the comments and timeframe, just how is one suppose to gauge Vader in his ability, if he isn't fighting challenging Force Users?
Because as noted, it seems like Maul is the only legitimate challenge by comparison to the rest in the galaxy at this point in time, until Luke finally comes along.
I guess they could go the route, of Vader fighting superhumans that aren't Force Users, yet extremely deadly and above your regular guy or droids as those are plentiful and have been shown in both Canon and Legends.
However even this only goes so far.
It said he was out killing the Jedi at this point in time, and we have no confirmation of the fates of Barriss Offee, Eeth Koth, or Quinlan Vos- so who knows what canon is planning or if they died during the Purge/Order 66. I would hope Maul would find someone to train at this point, its so obvious he wants to share his teachings and it kind of sucks that he's unable too lol.
Originally posted by ZenwolfVader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.
Abit however, I am kinda wondering though. Given the comments and timeframe, just how is one suppose to gauge Vader in his ability, if he isn't fighting challenging Force Users?Because as noted, it seems like Maul is the only legitimate challenge by comparison to the rest in the galaxy at this point in time, until Luke finally comes along.
I guess they could go the route, of Vader fighting superhumans that aren't Force Users, yet extremely deadly and above your regular guy or droids as those are plentiful and have been shown in both Canon and Legends.
However even this only goes so far.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.
I guess, but just 2 fights? /shrug
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Vader's seemingly ability to trounce Maul and decisively overcome Ahsoka, both top-tier duelists, should give you an impression of how capable a combatant Vader is. He's evidently leaps and bounds above your average Jedi Council member, and a league above the likes of Dooku and perhaps even Windu.
The gap between Maul and Vader doesn't seem that big, Ahsoka was putting up a great fight and we know that Maul is her superior.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Maul. All the best PT guys still around (sans Yoda) are inferior to Vader.That plus confirmation Vader > ROTS Anakin means anyone Anakin beat, Vader would beat (sans the Son and Daughter).
Vader is more powerful then Anakin, you can even debate if it's in raw power or mastery, not necessarely a better, or equal, lightsaber duelist.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9A great effort yes, but she remained outclassed.
The gap between Maul and Vader doesn't seem that big, Ahsoka was putting up a great fight and we know that Maul is her superior.
This being a significant improvement from Legends!Vader where him vs Maul could go either way.