Originally posted by ZenwolfI thought it made it far more interesting, the fact that a lot of Jedi survived and it turned Vader into an even bigger bad-ass then he originally was.
Oh thank god, the new canon isn't gonna be pulling some survivors from the Jedi Purge that pop up later after the Empire. Or at least I hope not, given Sam's words here, that the Jedi are fracking dead.That annoyed the hell out of me in the old EU and made both Obi-Wan's and Yoda's commentary meaningless.
But anyway, that said, interesting find about the Maul V Vader thing.
Maul would fit this description by Witwer quite perfectly if they would cut out the deliberate shit of putting him into advantageous positions over inferior opposition, and then digging a plot hole for the hero party easier to slip through than a wormhole.
As in, if Maul is far better trained than you, and more powerful, and you're hanging off a cliff or just recently blinded via lightsaber, you're done for. You need to be saved, or one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy is going to finish you off, there and then, easily, because it is easy. That's what I would gauge as being the minimum amount of effort to put into writing these fight scenes before being called competent.
Fair enough for Maul being cocky in TPM, he was young, lacked the necessary experience to demonstrate humility, and spent the last couple decades being trained to utterly hate Jedi, his greatest enemy who it was his life's purpose to destroy; but you can't excuse him not learning his f*cking lesson for the following three decades in a row, one of those decades spent just thinking about the f*ck up in question. Not to mention he's a "classically trained Sith Lord" who is among the only last threats to Vader and Sidious, but is apparently incapable of exercising logic.
I like everything else they've done with him since TCW, and perhaps he'd be perfect if he was written in novel or comic format under Luceno's pen instead of in a cartoon, but the repetitive embarrassing outcomes that should have been easily avoided are inexcusable from a writing standpoint and prevent me from really taking Filoni and co. seriously in their direction of making Maul a 2nd tier villain in a galaxy filled with insanely lethal beings and creatures.
Originally posted by ILS
Maul would fit this description by Witwer quite perfectly if they would cut out the deliberate shit of putting him into advantageous positions over inferior opposition, and then digging a plot hole for the hero party easier to slip through than a wormhole.As in, if Maul is far better trained than you, and more powerful, and you're hanging off a cliff or just recently blinded via lightsaber, you're done for. You need to be saved, or one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy is going to finish you off, there and then, easily, because it is easy. That's what I would gauge as being the minimum amount of effort to put into writing these fight scenes before being called competent.
Fair enough for Maul being cocky in TPM, he was young, lacked the necessary experience to demonstrate humility, and spent the last couple decades being trained to utterly hate Jedi, his greatest enemy who it was his life's purpose to destroy; but you can't excuse him not learning his f*cking lesson for the following three decades in a row, one of those decades spent just thinking about the f*ck up in question. Not to mention he's a "classically trained Sith Lord" who is among the only last threats to Vader and Sidious, but is apparently incapable of exercising logic.
I like everything else they've done with him since TCW, and perhaps he'd be perfect if he was written in novel or comic format under Luceno's pen instead of in a cartoon, but the repetitive embarrassing outcomes that should have been easily avoided are inexcusable from a writing standpoint and prevent me from really taking Filoni and co. seriously in their direction of making Maul a 2nd tier villain in a galaxy filled with insanely lethal beings and creatures.
Amen
I'm with ILS. What Witwer said is fine but Stick to It. Witwer said Inquistitors won't come out well when they face Maul. How Kanan is a half trained Padawan and Maul a classically trained Sith. So SHOW THAT and don't make a f***ing Ass of Maul against Kanan in a 1v1 where all the advantages are with Maul.
But at least Witwer's words mean we can feel relatively safe that Maul won't be killed off by Kanan or Ezra.
TCW never embarrassed Dooku like that.
Getting ambushed by pirates was the worst he got. But he was Ambushed and completely surrounded and caught without his Lightsaber.
But yeah Maul is to Rebels what Grievous was to TCW. Hopefully though he gets a level of comeback like Grievous did defeating Kenobi in that unfinished episode.