Originally posted by The_Tempest
Do the scripts provide a reason why that godly TK doesn't kill Canderous Ordo? lol
"Nihilus lets player fall and get to his feet."
Nihilus could have killed them all then and there, but as soon as he tries to drain Surik he's significantly weakened. The script doesn't even mention Mandalore though, it's almost as if he's irrelevant 🙂
Originally posted by Selenial
"Nihilus lets player fall and get to his feet."Nihilus could have killed them all then and there, but as soon as he tries to drain Surik he's significantly weakened. The script doesn't even mention Mandalore though, it's almost as if he's irrelevant 🙂
He's relevant enough to be stunned by Nihilus when they approach the bridge lol.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Armor? He gets badly injured, and wants to be left for dead.Visas, refusing to do that, then inspires him to stand back up, per other people on this forum. I've maintained that she heals him, but whatever.
That must be some hella impressive armor to tank capital-ship grade TK.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
He's relevant enough to be stunned by Nihilus when they approach the bridge lol.
Well yes. "and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush."
Like I said though, until he's weakened, he allowed them to live. He wasn't incapable of killing them all on the spot. Then:
"Kreia has lied to you - there are no Jedi here. You have sensed it. Then she has won... your victory against her has been for nothing.She has betrayed you... and now I will finish you.And now you are weak - - weak enough to be defeated.Even now, the hunger is consuming you. Just as Kreia knew it would. "
Originally posted by SunRazer
It's Nihilus after being drastically weakened, though. I assume Canderous was an afterthought and was only hit by the side effects of Nihilus' attacks.
Not buying it. Canderous is relevant enough to be stunned alongside the rest of Surik's party in the cutscene. Even after he's been weakened by the backfired drain, he's powerful enough to mount some measure of resistance against the party. But Canderous, who has zero defense against Force attacks, isn't killed in the scuffle?
Uh, he suffered injuries to a sufficient extent that he felt he'd die and told the others not to waste their time on him.
Canderous happens to be good enough to survive all of the Sith fights in K1 and K2, so I'm not too surprised that the side effects of a weakened Nihilus' Force attacks didn't kill him instantly. But it's implied that he would've died if it weren't for Visas.
And it's not as if Visas or the Exile couldn't have tried to protect him with the Force at times.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not buying it. Canderous is relevant enough to be stunned alongside the rest of Surik's party in the cutscene. Even after he's been weakened by the backfired drain, he's powerful enough to mount some measure of resistance against the party. But Canderous, who has zero defense against Force attacks, isn't killed in the scuffle?
{Sees Mandalore wounded.}Canderous, are you all right?{Angry at being helpless, wounded}Get away from me - I don't need your help.
He's literally so irrelevant in the fight that they don't notice him wounded on the floor until after Nihilus is dead.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Uh, he suffered injuries to a sufficient extent that he felt he'd die and told the others not to waste their time on him.Canderous happens to be good enough to survive all of the Sith fights in K1 and K2, so I'm not too surprised that the side effects of a weakened Nihilus' Force attacks didn't kill him instantly. But it's implied that he would've died if it weren't for Visas.
And it's not as if Visas or the Exile couldn't have tried to protect him with the Force at times.
I'mma assume all this extra info is strictly from the dialogue files?
There are plenty of fights with muggle sidekicks where they don't die. Obviously Nihilus was focusing on the Exile and Visas and didn't take the time to fully kill Canderous. Just like Revan was too occupied by Nox and the Wrath to kill Cipher and the Champ or later with the Jedi and Sith to kill Theron, Vizla and Jakkaro. Or Vitiate to destroy T7. It doesn't mean anything.
I don't know what your point is, are you seriously suggesting he can't kill Canderous? Seems you're just nitpicking and lowballing tbh.
Edit: Looks like this has been wrapped up anyway.
I'll have to read the actual script itself, then, because it's still... outlandish. We see what happens even in the conservative Disney canon when Sidious crosses paths with Mandalorians. He, too, treats them like an afterthought.
But they actually die. Sometimes, even, when he's not in the same room they are.
So I'm kinda at a loss as to how Canderous survived Nihilus here. The only plausible explanation is yours, where Visas and the Exile protected him.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Unless you rank Nihilus on par with the average Dark Jedi Master, it's obvious he can kill Canderous. He essentially survives through PIS - which is kind of what the fight is, anyway.
Yeah, I'm sure Nihilus can kill Canderous. I'm not sure Nihilus can kill Canderous when he's got his hands full with the Exile and Visas.
But that's also because I regard Nihilus with a degree of conservatism that some don't.
Spoiler:
i.e. he's not a god
Originally posted by Nephthys
There are plenty of fights with muggle sidekicks where they don't die. Obviously Nihilus was focusing on the Exile and Visas and didn't take the time to fully kill Canderous. Just like Revan was too occupied by Nox and the Wrath to kill Cipher and the Champ or later with the Jedi and Sith to kill Theron, Vizla and Jakkaro. Or Vitiate to destroy T7. It doesn't mean anything.I don't know what your point is, are you seriously suggesting he can't kill Canderous? Seems you're just nitpicking and lowballing tbh.
Edit: Looks like this has been wrapped up anyway.
Spoiler:
Aren't we supposed to be ignoring each other in the context of debates?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, I'm sure Nihilus can kill Canderous. I'm not sure Nihilus can kill Canderous when he's got his hands full with the Exile and Visas.
"and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush. [...] Nihilus lets player fall and get to his feet."
Good thing your opinion isn't needed in that regard 🙂
Originally posted by Selenial
"and the entire party is raised into the air, similar to Force Crush. [...] Nihilus [b]lets player fall and get to his feet."Good thing your opinion isn't needed in that regard 🙂 [/B]
I understand that this is something of a personal crusade for you, but for you to take a swing at me, your sensitivity on this subject must be truly profound lol.
Calm down.
Isn't that bit before Nihilus's drain backfires? When I'm obviously talking about Nihilus after his drain backfires? facepalm
Originally posted by SunRazer
Unless you rank Nihilus on par with the average Dark Jedi Master, it's obvious he can kill Canderous. He essentially survives through PIS - which is kind of what the fight is, anyway.
Just went back and rewatched the cutscenes regarding the N. fight and didn't find anything of significance.
And you say the dialogue files don't have any particular justification for how Canderous survived?