The Sith Triumvirate vs Sidious' Apprentices

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I understand that this is something of a personal crusade for you, but for you to take a swing at me, your sensitivity on this subject must be truly profound lol.

Calm down.

Isn't that bit before Nihilus's drain backfires? When I'm obviously talking about Nihilus after his drain backfires? facepalm

Ahh, so what you're doing is attempting to lowball a character based off showings where they're unquantifiably weakened, instead of accepting that at their peak they can one shot anyone 🙂

Wow. An top tier debating 🙂

Never mind the fact that a weakened Nihilus lets loose a force wave that nearly kills Canderous when the target wasn't even him. Let's just keep pretending like if Nihilus wants to, he can't kill a Mandalorian. mmm

I don't think you're comprehending what temp is trying to say, lol.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I don't think you're comprehending what temp is trying to say, lol.

why the **** aren't you on cod anyway

Originally posted by SunRazer
TSLRCM has him surviving the TK blasts, so his armor probably is pretty powerful.

I'm sure the armor would help against blunt force trauma, but you'd think a choke would have gotten the job done.

Originally posted by Selenial
Ahh, so what you're doing is attempting to lowball a character based off showings where they're unquantifiably weakened, instead of accepting that at their peak they can one shot anyone 🙂

Wow. An top tier debating 🙂

Never mind the fact that a weakened Nihilus lets loose a force wave that nearly kills Canderous when the target wasn't even him. Let's just keep pretending like if Nihilus wants to, he can't kill a Mandalorian. mmm

lmao

This is the exact opposite of that calm thing I told you to try.

My question was whether or not the files provide a reason for Canderous surviving Nihilus's TK in the battle, because even after the drain backfires, Nihilus has enough juice in the tank to mount a resistance against the Exile and Visas and yet Canderous still survives.

It's a fair question about a purported TK god.

Even 'Razer, who's aligned with your view, regards it as a textbook case of PIS.

You're the one who stumbled back into the thread in a hormonal stupor. Nowhere in this thread did I claim that peak!Nihilus or even weakened!Nihilus couldn't kill a Mandalorian lol.

^ For your obvious discomfort.

I would think the armor would be rather harmful than helpful. If you're getting tossed around and smashed, the body is crashing into the armor.

He wouldn't go for a Choke against somebody he isn't noticing enough to single out 🙂

Originally posted by SunRazer
He wouldn't go for a Choke against somebody he isn't noticing enough to single out 🙂

Nah, because even peak!Nihilus stunned Canderous. More likely, he either couldn't muster the energy while fighting for his life against Visas and the Exile, or they were protecting him.

Latter seems a lot more viable. Or both, both works.

The latter, but also he only ever attacked them collectively. He never singled Canderous out.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The latter, but also he only ever attacked them collectively. He never singled Canderous out.

What evidence do you have for the notion that Canderous wasn't singled out? It looked like three separate but simultaneous instances of Stasis to me.

The fact that it happened simultaneously?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
My question was whether or not the files provide a reason for Canderous surviving Nihilus's TK in the battle, because even after the drain backfires, Nihilus has enough juice in the tank to mount a resistance against the Exile and Visas and yet Canderous still survives.

It's a fair question about a purported TK god.

Even 'Razer, who's aligned with your view, regards it as a textbook case of PIS.

You're the one who stumbled back into the thread in a hormonal stupor. Nowhere in this thread did I claim that peak!Nihilus or even weakened!Nihilus couldn't kill a Mandalorian lol.

Attempted ad hominems aside (nice attempt, not going to distract from the ridiculous fallacies of your argument), all of that has been addressed already. Numerous times.

Nihilus payed no attention to Canderous. The only force power utilized against Canderous in the entire fight, which happens at the halfway mark, is a power strong enough to casually kill him with TK through his armor and through his implants. He's left for dead, and only Visas saves his life.

So your query of why Nihilus "failed to kill him" had already been answered.

The ridiculous part of your posting is the idea that failing to kill Mandalore while weakened is in any way indicative of his power levels. Nihilus was literally being consumed by his own wound, because his power was the only power left for it to consume. He had no energy to draw on. His wounded state was unquantifiable, because he really didn't put up a fight against Visas and Surik without the ability to draw on external factors. For the first half of their duel, and during his force wave, he's feeding on the entirety of the Sith forces on The Ravager and Visas Marr. After those sources are cut off, he's summarily beaten.

But that wounded state isn't his normal state. It's impossible to gauge just how wounded and sub-par he was, and the fact he didn't kill Mandalore doesn't change the fact he pulled a ****ing 1200m long warship out from Malachor 😬

Call it PMS all you want, but the personal attacks don't detract from the fact my very first post in this thread was this:

Originally posted by Selenial
Barring drain, it's difficult. Nihilus' actualised power is almost impossible to tell, especially given his best feats were on Malachor which he could also potentially feed from... Assuming he's, in this scenario, capable of what we've heard of him doing outside of drain, team one wins.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The fact that it happened simultaneously?

That's... not evidence that it was some sort of indiscriminate, blanket attack that just happened to hit Canderous.

If it was just a big Force push or something, that'd be one thing. But Stasis strikes me as being much more specific and precise.

There's such things as "Stasis Waves" in the dialogue files.

And in TSLRCM, he does use telekinetic attacks mid-duel, which are entirely AoE.

Originally posted by SunRazer
There's such things as "Stasis Waves" in the dialogue files.

And in TSLRCM, he does use telekinetic attacks mid-duel, which are entirely AoE.

And the dialogue files confirm that that's what Nihilus employed against the trio when they approached the bridge?

Originally posted by Selenial
Attempted ad hominems aside (nice attempt, not going to distract from the ridiculous fallacies of your argument), all of that has been addressed already. Numerous times.

Nihilus payed no attention to Canderous. The only force power utilized against Canderous in the entire fight, which happens at the halfway mark, is a power strong enough to casually kill him with TK through his armor and through his implants. He's left for dead, and only Visas saves his life.

So your query of why Nihilus "failed to kill him" had already been answered.

The ridiculous part of your posting is the idea that failing to kill Mandalore while weakened is in any way indicative of his power levels. Nihilus was literally being consumed by his own wound, because his power was the only power left for it to consume. He had no energy to draw on. His wounded state was unquantifiable, because he really didn't put up a fight against Visas and Surik without the ability to draw on external factors. For the first half of their duel, and during his force wave, he's feeding on the entirety of the Sith forces on The Ravager and Visas Marr. After those sources are cut off, he's summarily beaten.

But that wounded state isn't his normal state. It's impossible to gauge just how wounded and sub-par he was, and the fact he didn't kill Mandalore doesn't change the fact he pulled a ****ing 1200m long warship out from Malachor 😬

Call it PMS all you want, but the personal attacks don't detract from the fact my very first post in this thread was this:

First, don't waste time b1tching to me about personal attacks. You addressed me with hostility first lol. I responded in kind. You escalated. If you want to keep it civil, calm down. Otherwise, enjoy your bed: you made it.

Second, I'm aware Nihilus was weakened during the battle. That doesn't adequately explain how Canderous survived the fight, since Nihilus was powerful enough to still mount an effective resistance against two powerful Force users. Again, I say to you: even 'Razer calls it PIS.

Third, since we're talking fallacies: how about your strawman? I never stated or insinuated in this thread that peak!Nihilus or even weakened!Nihilus would be unable to kill a lone Mandalorian with TK.

You should probably take a few minutes to find your inner peace, spank your inner child, etc. before trying this again.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
First, don't waste time b1tching to me about personal attacks. You addressed me with hostility first lol. I responded in kind. You escalated. If you want to keep it civil, calm down. Otherwise, enjoy your bed: you made it.

Second, I'm aware Nihilus was weakened during the battle. That doesn't adequately explain how Canderous survived the fight, since Nihilus was powerful enough to still mount an effective resistance against two powerful Force users. Again, I say to you: even 'Razer calls it PIS.

Third, since we're talking fallacies: how about your strawman? I never stated or insinuated in this thread that peak!Nihilus or even weakened!Nihilus would be unable to kill a lone Mandalorian with TK.

You should probably take a few minutes to find your inner peace, spank your inner child, etc. before trying this again.

Oh yes, mocking an argument and suggesting a women takes pain medications for menstrual cramps are exactly the same thing ✅

It perfectly explains how Canderous survived, you're just ignoring it all. Nihilus showed the ability to kill all three while at full strength with ease, he merely wanted to drain Surik and that weakened him. While weakened, he still haphazardly kills Mandalore with a Force Wave, Mandalore only surviving due to his implants, armor and the fact Nihilus wasn't paying attention to him.

What you're attempting to do is define Nihilus' power level by the fact a weakened Nihilus didn't kill a target he wasn't trying to kill, when in fact he did KO said target. The argument is not only illogical because a Prime!Nihilus showed the ability to one shot them all, but illogical by the fact you're claiming a weakened Nihilus is even remotely indicative of a prime!nihilus' power.

You cannot prove how weakened Nihilus was, so it has no bearing on his overall power. It's the exact same case with the Bane Mercenary feat...

You should probably look up the definition of strawman too, because I never said that.

Not too sure what we're all arguing about. Nobody's suggesting that Nihilus is a god, just that he's probably above Vader at full strength. It's much the same as Vader vs Kanan & Ezra. They didn't die, but nobody disputes that as a low showing for Vader - I hope.

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh yes, mocking an argument and suggesting a women takes pain medications for menstrual cramps are exactly the same thing ✅

It perfectly explains how Canderous survived, you're just ignoring it all. Nihilus showed the ability to kill all three while at full strength with ease, he merely wanted to drain Surik and that weakened him. While weakened, he still haphazardly kills Mandalore with a Force Wave, Mandalore only surviving due to his implants, armor and the fact Nihilus wasn't paying attention to him.

What you're attempting to do is define Nihilus' power level by the fact a weakened Nihilus didn't kill a target he wasn't trying to kill, when in fact he did KO said target. The argument is not only illogical because a Prime!Nihilus showed the ability to one shot them all, but illogical by the fact you're claiming a weakened Nihilus is even remotely indicative of a prime!nihilus' power.

You cannot prove how weakened Nihilus was, so it has no bearing on his overall power. It's the exact same case with the Bane Mercenary feat...

You should probably look up the definition of strawman too, because I never said that.

Again: you were hostile first. I told you to calm down. You reacted with more hostility. I responded. If you want a calm chat, calm down. That's it. End of. 👆

Nihilus-at-full-strength is irrelevant. I'm talking about weakened!Nihilus. What evidence do you have that he's not paying attention to Canderous? What evidence is there that the attack against him was haphazard?

Nah. What I'm attempting to do is explain how a Force user, weakened but powerful enough to duke it out with two other Force users is unable to, in that same fight, kill a lone non-Force sensitive and asking whether the dialogue files offered any viable explanation.

The guy who's on your team and has access to those same dialogue files even suggests it's PIS and has to offer head!canon reasons for why Nihilus didn't snap his neck with a thought.

You, on this very page
Let's just keep pretending like if Nihilus wants to, he can't kill a Mandalorian. mmm

You're done lol.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nobody's suggesting that Nihilus is a god, just that he's probably above Vader at full strength.

Stop being self-contradictory. uhuh

Sidious' apprentices.