The Sith Triumvirate vs Sidious' Apprentices

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Again: you were hostile first. I told you to calm down. You reacted with more hostility. I responded. If you want a calm chat, calm down. That's it. End of. 👆

Nihilus-at-full-strength is irrelevant. I'm talking about weakened!Nihilus. What evidence do you have that he's not paying attention to Canderous? What evidence is there that the attack against him was haphazard?

Nah. What I'm attempting to do is explain how a Force user, weakened but powerful enough to duke it out with two other Force users is unable to, in that same fight, kill a lone non-Force sensitive and asking whether the dialogue files offered any viable explanation.

The guy who's on your team and has access to those same dialogue files even suggests it's PIS and has to offer head!canon reasons for why Nihilus didn't snap his neck with a thought.

Nowhere did I ask for calmness, I was merely observing that your attacks don't mask your pitiful argument 🙂

And why are you talking about Weakend!Nihilus? To lowball a full Strength Nihilus. Need I remind you that you were the one who asked:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
My question was whether or not the files provide a reason for Canderous surviving Nihilus's TK in the battle, because even after the drain backfires, Nihilus has enough juice in the tank to mount a resistance against the Exile and Visas and yet Canderous still survives.

It's a fair question about a purported TK god.

You're attempting to prove Nihilus isn't as strong in TK as many believe due to his fleet quote... because he didn't kill Canderous. That comes from a deep rooted and unfortunate lack of knowledge on the material you discuss.

Nihilus didn't think that the explosion of the Ravager would kill him. He literally says to Visas and the Exile that four proton torpedoes would not be enough to end him, and he's willing to continue to fight the Exile until those cores are detonated. Why do you think he gives a flying **** about Mandalore's blaster bolts if he thinks he can survive the force of a nuclear explosion? Mandalore's not even mentioned in the script until you realise he was reduced to a near death state at the hands of Nihilus' force wave.

Everything points to Nihilus not bothering to kill Canderous. Not that he couldn't.

So please, explain how Nihilus deciding not to kill a non factor with TK while he's trying to hold off two of the Strongest Jedi of the era is him being unable to. Because you can't. It's not that he can't kill him, it's that killing him is worthless and irrelevant to a man whose mere aura turns non force-sensitives into walking corpses.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You're done lol.

mmm

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, I'm sure Nihilus can kill Canderous. I'm not sure Nihilus can kill Canderous when he's got his hands full with the Exile and Visas.

It's like you don't even read your own posts.

Originally posted by Selenial
Nowhere did I ask for calmness, I was merely observing that your attacks don't mask your pitiful argument 🙂

Oh, please. Then you should probably stop whining about personal attacks and start taking it like a champ. 👆

Originally posted by Selenial
And why are you talking about Weakend!Nihilus? To lowball a full Strength Nihilus. Need I remind you that you were the one who asked:

You're attempting to prove Nihilus isn't as strong in TK as many believe due to his fleet quote... because he didn't kill Canderous. That comes from a deep rooted and unfortunate lack of knowledge on the material you discuss.

facepalm

Me
Nah. What I'm attempting to do is explain how a Force user, weakened but powerful enough to duke it out with two other Force users is unable to, in that same fight, kill a lone non-Force sensitive and asking whether the dialogue files offered any viable explanation.

^ That's what I'm attempting to do.

Tell me: are you always this paranoid and combative or only on your period?

Originally posted by Selenial
Nihilus didn't think that the explosion of the Ravager would kill him. He literally says to Visas and the Exile that four proton torpedoes would not be enough to end him, and he's willing to continue to fight the Exile until those cores are detonated. Why do you think he gives a flying **** about Mandalore's blaster bolts if he thinks he can survive the force of a nuclear explosion? Mandalore's not even mentioned in the script until you realise he was reduced to a near death state at the hands of Nihilus' force wave.

Everything points to Nihilus not bothering to kill Canderous. Not that he couldn't.

So please, explain how Nihilus deciding not to kill a non factor with TK while he's trying to hold off two of the Strongest Jedi of the era is him being unable to. Because you can't. It's not that he can't kill him, it's that killing him is worthless and irrelevant to a man whose mere aura turns non force-sensitives into walking corpses.

So by 'everything', you mean 'supposition from a character's empty taunts'?

Spoiler:
Nihilus succumbs to significantly less force than a nuclear explosion. And, funny enough, doesn't turn Canderous into a walking corpse. Meaning he's full of shit, rather like you.

Originally posted by Selenial
It's like you don't even read your own posts.

It's like you don't even read at all. The very first part of that sentence says: "I'm sure Nihilus can kill Canderous."

Which means this:

Selenial
Let's just keep pretending like if Nihilus wants to, he can't kill a Mandalorian.

is a strawman.

Which, in turn, means this:

You
You should probably look up the definition of strawman too, because I never said that.

is a startling lack of self-awareness. Not sure if Midol can help you with that.

Me
You're done lol.

Let 'Razer take it from here. You presently lack the emotional strength to carry on this conversation.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
^ That's what I'm attempting to do.

Tell me: are you always this paranoid and combative or only on your period?

So by 'everything', you mean 'supposition from a character's empty taunts'?

Spoiler:
Nihilus succumbs to significantly less force than a nuclear explosion. And, funny enough, doesn't turn Canderous into a walking corpse. Meaning he's full of shit, rather like you.

Taking the shit talking out to show how tiny your posts are getting. It's almost as if the more desperate you become, the more of your posts become insults to detract from your ever failing argument mmm

The fact that Nihilus died to less is irrelevant. The fact is, Nihilus was bat shit crazy and didn't even pay attention to The Exile and Visas storming his ship because he felt he could feast on the planet below. Throwing out red herrings left and right won't help you, whether Mandalore was a threat or not, Nihilus did not perceive him as a threat so was not going to exert any amount of effort or produce a gap in his defenses to kill someone who meant nothing to him.

It's pretty simple.

You're basing this entire facade on the idea Nihilus can't kill Canderous during that fight, when there is absolutely no evidence for that since the single force attack we know he threw at Canderous, ended up leaving him expecting his own death.

Lowballing Nhililus becomes fruitless when the supposed MVP for team 2 is...

Not doing too much better, perhaps even worse...

Originally posted by Selenial
Taking the shit talking out to show how tiny your posts are getting. It's almost as if the more desperate you become, the more of your posts become insults to detract from your ever failing argument mmm

For someone keen on taking the shit talking out, you're talking an awful lot of shit. It's almost as though you realize you screwed up and are trying to plot an escape route while saving face. mmm

Originally posted by Selenial
The fact that Nihilus died to less is irrelevant. The fact is, Nihilus was bat shit crazy and didn't even pay attention to The Exile and Visas storming his ship because he felt he could feast on the planet below. Throwing out red herrings left and right won't help you, whether Mandalore was a threat or not, Nihilus did not perceive him as a threat so was not going to exert any amount of effort or produce a gap in his defenses to kill someone who meant nothing to him.

It's pretty simple.

You're basing this entire facade on the idea Nihilus can't kill Canderous during that fight, when there is absolutely no evidence for that since the single force attack we know he threw at Canderous, ended up leaving him expecting his own death.

Given that Nihilus's drain blew up in his face and he had to fight the trio in pitched battle, hand-to-hand and sword-to-sword, he probably got the epiphany that he really wasn't invincible somewhere along the line... before dying. facepalm

My exact words were "I'm not sure" Nihilus could have killed Canderous in that context: while weakened and fending off two powerful Force users. All I asked was whether the dialogue files expounded on the situation.

You were the one who went apeshit at the mere suggestion. Probably because, again, you presently lack the emotional stability necessary to proceed.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
For someone keen on taking the shit talking out, you're talking an awful lot of shit. It's almost as though you realize you screwed up and are trying to plot an escape route while saving face. mmm

Given that Nihilus's drain blew up in his face and he had to fight the trio in pitched battle, hand-to-hand and sword-to-sword, he probably got the epiphany that he really wasn't invincible somewhere along the line... before dying. facepalm

My exact words were "I'm not sure" Nihilus could have killed Canderous in that context: while weakened and fending off two powerful Force users. All I asked was whether the dialogue files expounded on the situation.

You were the one who went apeshit at the mere suggestion. Probably because, again, you presently lack the emotional stability necessary to proceed.

My talking shit is in addition to an argument based on facts, not opinions, however. So it's fine. Yours masks a repeatedly debunked ideology that's ignorant of the source material. Like I said earlier, bit of a difference 🙂

And no, seeing as he was talking about how immortal he was halfway through the fight, when Surik and Visas had already nearly defeated him the epiphany never came. It's also completely irrelevant to the argument, because even if he realized at that point, Canderous was already in the corner somewhere dying from his injuries.

Backtrack all you want, dear, we both know your points were an attempt at lowering Nihilus' standing relative to other combatants in the field.

Your original post:

"Do the scripts provide a reason why that godly TK doesn't kill Canderous Ordo? lol"

Is an attempt at lowballing Nihilus' TK of the whole party, despite the fact Nihilus could have killed them all then and there.

Your next post:

"He's relevant enough to be stunned by Nihilus when they approach the bridge lol. That must be some hella impressive armor to tank capital-ship grade TK."

has you completely hinging on the fact that Nihilus was actually trying to get Canderous killed. And the second half is you insinuating that if Nihilus cannot kill Canderous while fighting the other two, he doesn't have "capital-ship grade TK"

You consistently used the idea of Canderous not dying to show that Nihilus isn't a Sidious-grade user of TK (despite the fact no one claimed that mmm:

"I'll have to read the actual script itself, then, because it's still... outlandish. We see what happens even in the conservative Disney canon when Sidious crosses paths with Mandalorians. He, too, treats them like an afterthought.

But they actually die. Sometimes, even, when he's not in the same room they are.

So I'm kinda at a loss as to how Canderous survived Nihilus here. The only plausible explanation is yours, where Visas and the Exile protected him."

So please, continue to act like this is all about a Weakened!Nihilus and a tanky Canderous, despite the fact none of your original posts mention that. You can attempt to hide the Nihilus lowballing all you want, but no one's buying it.

We're done here, thanks for playing.

Insinuations? Implication? Lowball?

Your talking shit derives from an exquisite lack of emotional control on this subject, and you reading into a question rather than simply reading the question.

To recap:

1. I didn't say pre-drain!Nihilus couldn't have killed Canderous or all three of them.

2. Canderous was relevant enough to Nihilus to be detected and stunned alongside Visas and the Exile. The notion that Canderous wouldn't relevant to Nihilus because Nihilus thinks he can tank nuclear explosions is bunk since he obviously thought Visas and the Exile were relevant enough to fight even though they aren't equivalent to a nuclear explosion.

3. I'm not implying that Nihilus is or is not a Sidious-grade telekinetic in this thread lol. My point was that even in the conservative Disney canon, Sidious {who doesn't demonstrate anything approaching capital ship TK} still has no trouble killing Mandalorians with TK even though they aren't a threat to him, either. In other words, you don't need to be a Sidious-grade Force user to kill a goddamn Mandalorian.

4. 'Razer understood me just fine and agreed that the whole situation reeks of PIS.

You're practically epileptic, frothing at the mouth and trembling over a single question. And why? Because of "insinuations"?

Take another Midol. Or two.

Selenial
We're done here, thanks for playing.

I already said you were done. Maybe you can pick up next week after the hormones balance out?

Edit: Resolved with Tempest in chat, tbfh mmm

cowards

Solid banter, guys. I'd rate 7/10.

I don't see this as an issue if Nihilus failed to kill Canderous, then Maul and Dooku blitz him. Vader can TP or literally implode Sion with the wave of his hand and handle Traya as well.

Apprentices win

Originally posted by carthage
I don't see this as an issue if Nihilus failed to kill Canderous, then Maul and Dooku blitz him.

Neither do I.

Sion gets wrecked, then the three gangbang the other two.

Sion has Jinn level skill and can use force crush and drain

Maul and Dooku are outmatched here

Triumvirate, Nihilus potentially solos.

Originally posted by carthage
Sion has Jinn level skill and can use force crush and drain

Maul and Dooku are outmatched here