Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Here are the quotes in question. You clearly and without any ambiguity say... That instincts, muscle memory and reactions. You said they play a bigger role than your brain actively processing info (thinking)

I repeatedly challenged you on said premise and asked you if you're standing by that. You STILL haven't answered the question.

Then you claim that you don't think about punching or kicking when you're in a fight.. they just happen. I disputed this, and asked you numerous times if you're standing by said claim.

So no, you didn't ask me questions first. I'm still waiting Froth, do you stand by your statements and believe the brain isn't thinking during a fight?

Actually, I'll prove that you're a big, fat, wuss. I'll answer your question and we'll see how you dodge answering yours.

Do you think when you're in a fight? Depends how aggressive the fight is. When you're out in the streets, fighting tooth and nail against someone who's intent on doing you harm (like the kind of fights these superheroes supposedly go against each other), you have very little time to think - almost none. Everything boils down to instincts, muscle memory, autoresponses, training and luck.

Whatever thinking you can do will be dependent on how aggressive the fight is going.

However, that doesn't mean that your brain stops functioning. Your brain is essential to how your body moves. It will ALWAYS function as long as you're alive. That doesn't mean that you're THINKING about your movements.

Now before you reply to all that, before you say anything else, man up and answer the question for you: Do you believe that you have to THINK to perform autoresponses?

Now... let's see you run and dodge that question.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually, I'll prove that you're a big, fat, wuss. I'll answer your question and we'll see how you dodge answering yours.

Do you think when you're in a fight? Depends how aggressive the fight is. When you're out in the streets, fighting tooth and nail against someone who's intent on doing you harm (like the kind of fights these superheroes supposedly go against each other), you have very little time to think - almost none. Everything boils down to instincts, muscle memory, autoresponses, training and luck.

Whatever thinking you can do will be dependent on how aggressive the fight is going.

However, that doesn't mean that your brain stops functioning. Your brain is essential to how your body moves. It will ALWAYS function as long as you're alive. That doesn't mean that you're THINKING about your movements.

Now before you reply to all that, before you say anything else, man up and answer the question for you: Do you believe that you have to THINK to perform autoresponses?

Now... let's see you run and dodge that question.

No, Again, I asked you a very specific question before that last question you finally decided to answer. Would being a super genius aid you in a fight?

Second, no that wasn't even a direct answer, nor was it even the correct answer. It doesn't matter how aggressive the fight is. The only thing how aggressive the fight is will affect, is how extensive and intricate thinking you can do. I agree that if a fight is super aggressive and fast paced, you wouldn't be able to think as in depth as when it is fought at a slower pace. I don't dispute this, but you're still thinking the entire time. Your brain is still processing information the entire time. For example, even in an aggressive fight, do these things not occur in a fight that are thinking.

1. Sizing your foe up before the fight starts.
a. What he looks like (body type)
b. How aggressive he looks
c. noticing any weapons or people around that could factor into the fight
d. thinking if he throws, I'll respond like this

2. During an aggressive fast paced fight you'll still notice
a. Tendencies on how he's attacking you
b. You'll be processing his strength when you've locked up
c. If you'd been in a fight.. when you're getting taken down... things immediately run through my mind... Get up right away, protect against being mounted. Use my legs to control his body and not take damage. Literally all that and more goes through my head as he'd going for a takedown.
d. If I took him down... many more things about positioning and strategy go through my head. I'm not siting there in depth pondering the meaning of fighting. but a whole slew of things run through my head very quickly as my brain is processing what is happening and next course of action

Are not the above true in a fight, and often times occur in a fight? Is that not your brain thinking and processing what it is seeing and feeling all around you?

To answer your question, which I've already answered by the way. It all depends on how you want to define thinking. If you consider auto response mechanism thinking, because the brain is processing when to send the signal to breathe and monitoring your body at all times... then yes that is thinking. Thinking is processing. However, if you want to use different factors to what constitutes thinking, for example, auto responses from your brain that you consciously aren't aware of, isn't thinking/processing. I suppose one could say it's not thinking. To me the brain is always thinking and processing. There are clearly varying levels, depending on various circumstances. So it's all relative to how you view thinking. I think it's somewhere in between both I guess. It's kind of like when you get out of the way of a speeding ball coming your way. It happens so fast, you don't considering it thinking because you didn't go, ball and then move in your head. However, it was thinking, your brain was thinking and told your body to move. As soon as your eyes processed seeing a ball, your brain instantly deduced it was time to move. It all happens so fast one might think your brain didn't think a thing and you just reacted on your own. That isn't what occurs.

However, I don't understand the relevance to what we are talking about. All those examples I cited above that occur in a fight, regularly happen all the time. Those are your brain actively processing information and analyzing the situation. You're aware of it. So I'm trying to figure out here, if you thinking brain activity when breathing is the same as when fighting? Is that what you're claiming here?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, Again, I asked you a very specific question before that last question you finally decided to answer. Would being a super genius aid you in a fight?

Second, no that wasn't even a direct answer, nor was it even the correct answer. It doesn't matter how aggressive the fight is. The only thing how aggressive the fight is will affect, is how extensive and intricate thinking you can do. I agree that if a fight is super aggressive and fast paced, you wouldn't be able to think as in depth as when it is fought at a slower pace. I don't dispute this, but you're still thinking the entire time. Your brain is still processing information the entire time. For example, even in an aggressive fight, do these things not occur in a fight that are thinking.

1. Sizing your foe up before the fight starts.
a. What he looks like (body type)
b. How aggressive he looks
c. noticing any weapons or people around that could factor into the fight
d. thinking if he throws, I'll respond like this

2. During an aggressive fast paced fight you'll still notice
a. Tendencies on how he's attacking you
b. You'll be processing his strength when you've locked up
c. If you'd been in a fight.. when you're getting taken down... things immediately run through my mind... Get up right away, protect against being mounted. Use my legs to control his body and not take damage. Literally all that and more goes through my head as he'd going for a takedown.
d. If I took him down... many more things about positioning and strategy go through my head. I'm not siting there in depth pondering the meaning of fighting. but a whole slew of things run through my head very quickly as my brain is processing what is happening and next course of action

Are not the above true in a fight, and often times occur in a fight? Is that not your brain thinking and processing what it is seeing and feeling all around you?

To answer your question, which I've already answered by the way. It all depends on how you want to define thinking. If you consider auto response mechanism thinking, because the brain is processing when to send the signal to breathe and monitoring your body at all times... then yes that is thinking. Thinking is processing. However, if you want to use different factors to what constitutes thinking, for example, auto responses from your brain that you consciously aren't aware of, isn't thinking/processing. I suppose one could say it's not thinking. To me the brain is always thinking and processing. There are clearly varying levels, depending on various circumstances. So it's all relative to how you view thinking. I think it's somewhere in between both I guess. It's kind of like when you get out of the way of a speeding ball coming your way. It happens so fast, you don't considering it thinking because you didn't go, ball and then move in your head. However, it was thinking, your brain was thinking and told your body to move. As soon as your eyes processed seeing a ball, your brain instantly deduced it was time to move. It all happens so fast one might think your brain didn't think a thing and you just reacted on your own. That isn't what occurs.

However, I don't understand the relevance to what we are talking about. All those examples I cited above that occur in a fight, regularly happen all the time. Those are your brain actively processing information and analyzing the situation. You're aware of it. So I'm trying to figure out here, if you thinking brain activity when breathing is the same as when fighting? Is that what you're claiming here?

Ok you need to be clearer on your stance. Do you consider blinking your eyes when you get dust in them as thinking? How bout when you sneeze when your nose is irritated or flinch when you're pinched. Does this involve thinking? Or do they happen automatically?

No, I answered your question thoroughly and completely. There is nothing further to add. I stated it all depends on how you want to define thinking/processing. I was very clear, it can be viewed both ways. I asked about three question in my last post to you. I'd like to see some answers to those. In fact, I specifically referenced a question I've asked a few times now. Does being a super genius aid you in combat? Answer that question along with the others I posed.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No, I answered your question thoroughly and completely. There is nothing further to add. I stated it all depends on how you want to define thinking/processing. I was very clear, it can be viewed both ways. I asked about three question in my last post to you. I'd like to see some answers to those. In fact, I specifically referenced a question I've asked a few times now. Does being a super genius aid you in combat? Answer that question along with the others I posed.

Actually you never answered my question. I still have no idea of whether you believe you are thinking when you sneeze. It's a simple question. Don't know why it's so hard for you to answer it.

And no, being a super genius does not aid you in the middle of a fight. It aids you in planning for the fight, but you'd be daft to think that high IQ somehow enables you to punch better or react better.

Now if you're a smart fighter, that's different.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually you never answered my question. I still have no idea of whether you believe you are thinking when you sneeze. It's a simple question. Don't know why it's so hard for you to answer it.

And no, being a super genius does not aid you in the middle of a fight. It aids you in planning for the fight, but you'd be daft to think that high IQ somehow enables you to punch better or react better.

Now if you're a smart fighter, that's different.

you can say I didn't answer it, but I 100% answered it thoroughly and completely. Shall I repost my comment again?

Totally and completely incorrect. That is what being a super genius means... You're able to process information better and faster. You're able to logical see things better than most. To think this would've aid one in a fight is beyond retarded, and not worth responding to. You still have zero clue of the terms we're discussing here. You don't seem to have a clue about ho much thinking you're doing during a fight. You're constantly thinking.

Nobody is talking about Einstein in a fight. We're discussing Ozy in a fight. He's clearly and excellent, skilled smart fighter. Those are a given. I didn't think I needed to hold your hand through these questions. I'll rephrase

Would Ozy being a genius aid him in a fight?

For Christ's sake I even listed situations when your brain is thinking during a fight and gave examples. Are you claiming those things are running through your mind during a fight.. ever?

How about posting feats that show Ozy's fantastically amazing super duper excellent fighting intelligence?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
you can say I didn't answer it, but I 100% answered it thoroughly and completely. Shall I repost my comment again?

Totally and completely incorrect. That is what being a super genius means... You're able to process information better and faster. You're able to logical see things better than most. To think this would've aid one in a fight is beyond retarded, and not worth responding to. You still have zero clue of the terms we're discussing here. You don't seem to have a clue about ho much thinking you're doing during a fight. You're constantly thinking.

Nobody is talking about Einstein in a fight. We're discussing Ozy in a fight. He's clearly and excellent, skilled smart fighter. Those are a given. I didn't think I needed to hold your hand through these questions. I'll rephrase

Would Ozy being a genius aid him in a fight?

For Christ's sake I even listed situations when your brain is thinking during a fight and gave examples. Are you claiming those things are running through your mind during a fight.. ever?

Yes, please repost your comment again that clearly answers the question.

Also, I guess in your world valedictorians can easily outfight jocks.

So full clownshoes mode now eh Froth. You were edging closer to that mode, and now you've finally reached it.

Do the things I listed that run through your mind during a fight occur? Yes or no?

Clownshoes, we aren't talking about a Einstein or some other genius we doesn't know how to fight. We're talking about Ozy, somebody that is very skilled/smart fighter. Would being a genius aid him in a fight? yes or no

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So full clownshoes mode now eh Froth. You were edging closer to that mode, and now you've finally reached it.

Do the things I listed that run through your mind during a fight occur? Yes or no?

Clownshoes, we aren't talking about a Einstein or some other genius we doesn't know how to fight. We're talking about Ozy, somebody that is very skilled/smart fighter. Would being a genius aid him in a fight? yes or no

Huh. Look at that. Why am I not surprised you didn't "re-post" your supposed answer. Dodger dodging dodgest.

Do you think while sneezing?

Concession accepted on all accounts. You're actively thinking in a fast paced or slow paced fight. Period, end of story. You claimed to have read the articles, and if you did, you'd also know you were blatantly wrong about how the brain works. I ask your concession Froth

How about posting feats that show Ozy's fantastically amazing super duper excellent fighting intelligence?

Hey, it's the Troll Silent.. Nice.

This has already been addressed. Being that you never watched the movie or read the series you have zero clue what you're talking about here. The fact is, and the movie and book clearly demonstrated, Ozy processes information quicker, faster and better than any normal human. Being that your being is constantly processing information, being faster and better at it, would certainly be of benefit. This is clearly shown in both when he's watching all those TV screens at once processing all that is going on in the world. It was specifically noted that this was an example of how he can process information faster and better than anyone.

You have that clear example, and then you have the example of Ozy never losing a fight. I'd say you'd have to be a smart fighter to never lose a fight. Crap, to never even be hit in a fight, shows that even more so. You're a damn smart fighter when you treat people like feebs, while seemingly barely trying, and yet don't get hit once.

When you can beat Dr. M, somebody who poops on anything WS or Cap could eve hope to accomplish, let alone beat. He beat him, why, because again, he outsmarted him. He tactical plan worked, and worked on somebody that is nigh omnipotent. Yet you're questioning whether Ozy is a smart fighter LOL

Ozy was physically superior to everyone he beat in hth, so saying he never lost a fight is hardly proof that he is some super genius at fighting.

So again, How about posting feats that show Ozy's fantastically amazing super duper excellent fighting intelligence?

But..you see Doc M wasn't omnipotent or nigh omnipotent. Otherwise he kind of would have seen Adrian's plan before Adrian even thought of it himself.

Did..did that happen?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted on all accounts. You're actively thinking in a fast paced or slow paced fight. Period, end of story. You claimed to have read the articles, and if you did, you'd also know you were blatantly wrong about how the brain works. I ask your concession Froth

I read the articles. All the articles show that you have brain activity, not that you were actively thinking. It all boils down to the fact that you don't know what thinking actually means. Which is why I'm asking if you consider the acts of sneezing or yawning or blinking as involving thinking.

Do you think when you throw a punch? Sure, if you're a beginner. But any self respecting martial artist knows that to actually become a good fighter you drill all the movements so that they're memorized by muscle memory and they become instinctive. Again, you prove how little you know of actual fighting.

That is true and I'm not even a MA, but even in boxing it needed to be something you do by second nature. It's part of the reason you will practice throwing a punch over and over and over.

These guys aren't the Flash, they actually don't have time to be actively thinking during a fight.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is true and I'm not even a MA, but even in boxing it needed to be something you do by second nature. It's part of the reason you will practice throwing a punch over and over and over.

These guys aren't the Flash, they actually don't have time to be actively thinking during a fight.

Thank you.

Active thought isn't the same as passive thought, and instinct. Being a phucking mathlete isn't going to help you any in a fight.

Originally posted by Surtur
That is true and I'm not even a MA, but even in boxing it needed to be something you do by second nature. It's part of the reason you will practice throwing a punch over and over and over.

These guys aren't the Flash, they actually don't have time to be actively thinking during a fight.

Don't have time to be thinking in a fight LMAO. Your brain in constantly thinking. Obviously you need to read the articles as well. Just because you're naïve on the subject, doesn't mean you're right. You seem to be under the impression that when you dodge a punch, YOU reacted to that without your brain processing what is transpiring and telling your body to move. This couldn't be further from the truth. This is how it works. You eyes perceive what looks like a punch coming. Your brain instantly processes the information your eyes just transmitted and decides the course of action is to move, and you move. That is how it works. It doesn't happen independent of the brain.

Further, I can 100% tell you've never boxed a day in your life. If you did, you'd realize you're constantly thinking in there. In fact, more so than in a regular street fight. You have much more time to analyze your foe and how it's progressing than in a street fight. It's even more clearer there. To see you say you don't in boxing is truly laughable. Some things your Brain is thinking mid fight.

1. He likes to throw a left hook to the head after a right to the body
2. he's circling to the right, trying to take away my left or vice versa
3. He's using the jab more as a range finder than snapping out the jab
4. He's a sucker for my counter right hand over his jab
5. He has no right hook to speak of
6. he doesn't box in the pocket well, he likes staying at range

Those are just SOME of the MANY things going through your mind during a boxing match. Your brain is constantly analyzing the fight and how it's progressing. To even think this isn't occurring tells me you've never boxed or been in a fight a day in your life.