Deadshot vs Winter Soldier...

I've indeed boxed many a day in my life before injuries set in. Christ dude of course your brain is always thinking.

Your BRAIN might think all the shit you said, but the person isn't actively going over that shit in their head like they are Sherlock friggin Holmes. The brain is essentially taking over thanks to your training.

Of course you might notice some shit during a fight yes, you might notice "oh this guy drops his guard after a certain combo" or something.

You also didn't yet explain how a nigh omnipotent being failed to realize what Adrian was planning before he even began planning it himself.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Active thought isn't the same as passive thought, and instinct. Being a phucking mathlete isn't going to help you any in a fight.

Red Herring and Missing the point for the loss.

We aren't talking about Albert Einstein beating Tyson. Nobody is claiming being a super genius means you'll win every fight. What we ARE discussing is Ozy specifically. Somebody very adept at fighting, and very skilled. Being a super genius would only aid him further in a fight. That is the discussion here. Froth is claiming being a genius doesn't help you in a h2h encounter because your brain isn't actively thinking during the fight. That is blatantly and horrendously false. Some examples of thinking before the fight and mid fight

1. Analyzing the size of your foe as you to are getting into a verbal altercation
2. Noticing any friends or weapons in the immediate area that could become an issue
3. Actively thinking, if he throws a punch, I'm going to react like this, that or the other. Various scenarios run through your head
4. Mid fight, as you're getting taken down. Work to get back up... don't let him mount you... use your legs to create space and not take damage.... try and reverse the position. Those things should run through your mind as you're going down or while you're done.
5. After some exchanges, you two wrestle a little bit. You notice he's weaker than he looks. Your brain processes this, and give you the idea to take him down. Or the opposite, you lock up, feel his strength and realize you need to keep this standing
6. you'll notice his tendency on how he's throwing punches and what he's trying to do. These become apparent in a fight. Even a chaotic one. People have tendencies and styles all their own.

Your brain is constantly processing info as you fight. Just beause you don't think it is because it's happening so fast means nothing. It is. These thoughts and ideas and constantly running through your head. Those are active thoughts. You also have your brain noticing a punch coming and telling yoru body to react. Again, it processed the info and is thinking for you. It's telling you to move and makes your body move. That doesn't happen independent of the brain.

Originally posted by Surtur
But..you see Doc M wasn't omnipotent or nigh omnipotent. Otherwise he kind of would have seen Adrian's plan before Adrian even thought of it himself.

Did..did that happen?

Did you even watch the movie. Ozy made Dr. M not be able to see the future and know his plans. He tricked him. Further, even after he knew of his plans and what Ozy did, he still sided with his logic and agreed with him. Did you miss all this?

Lol okay you lost me when you used "analyzing your foe while you trash talk him". Why are you using that kind of example when people are talking about thinking while actively engaged in a fight.

Plus you do know boxers and MMA fighters and all that..don't necessarily have it all on the line when they fight. Oh they can get injured, but they usually won't die and all that. Yet even in THOSE kinds of situations it is easy to get rattled let alone if you're fighting for your life or something. You have to factor those things in.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you even watch the movie. Ozy made Dr. M not be able to see the future and know his plans. He tricked him. Further, even after he knew of his plans and what Ozy did, he still sided with his logic and agreed with him. Did you miss all this?

Yes I did see the movie. Can you remind me how Ozy made Dr. M not able to see the future?

You see you can't come back with "he used technology" because as good as the guy was he couldn't just magic up some technology so how did this technology get built without Doc knowing?

In a boxing match, the ONLY time you have time to actually analyze how he punches and what his footwork is doing is when he's not actually punching you.

You do the thinking in between rounds, you do your thinking once you break up and are circling each other, you do the thinking as he's chasing you across the ring or vice versa. But once you actually start exchanging blows, thought flies out the window.

In a real fight where your opponent is intent on doing you harm (like I would assume the combatants of MVF fights are) you don't get breaks in between rounds, you don't have a referee breaking you up after you hug each other, and although you'll circle each other once in a while, mostly you never stop swinging once you start until the other person goes down.

You want to analyze his footwork while in the middle of getting punched in the face? Go ahead. Let's see how that helps you.

Originally posted by Surtur
I've indeed boxed many a day in my life before injuries set in. Christ dude of course your brain is always thinking.

Your BRAIN might think all the shit you said, but the person isn't actively going over that shit in their head like they are Sherlock friggin Holmes. The brain is essentially taking over thanks to your training.

Of course you might notice some shit during a fight yes, you might notice "oh this guy drops his guard after a certain combo" or something.

You also didn't yet explain how a nigh omnipotent being failed to realize what Adrian was planning before he even began planning it himself.

Well then you've agreed with me in total. That is exactly what I've been saying this entire time. Your brain is thinking and processing information the entire fight. That is what it does. Exactly what it does. Just because you process information at 1/100th or 1/300th of a second, and it's so fast you dont' realize it, doesn't mean your brain isn't thinking. It is, at all times. That is the argument here. Froth is under the impression that your brain isn't actively thinking mid-fight... tha it doesn't matter if you're super genius in fight... it won't help you. That is totally false. Super genius process information faster and better than most. So when somebody kicks ass at fighting, and a super genius, to think that wouldn't be advantageous is mindboggling. OF course it would.

how do you think he catch the damn bullet? Again, because he's able to process stuff better and faster than anybody. His eyes perceived what was occurring and where the bullet is being fired at. He brain processes the info, and he's able to move his arm into position to catch it. his arms were at his side. He moved them only AFTER it was fired. This is an example of how he's able to perceive things better and faster than most. To think being as smart as he is doesn't help him is beyond retarded.

Originally posted by Surtur
Lol okay you lost me when you used "analyzing your foe while you trash talk him". Why are you using that kind of example when people are talking about thinking while actively engaged in a fight.

Plus you do know boxers and MMA fighters and all that..don't necessarily have it all on the line when they fight. Oh they can get injured, but they usually won't die and all that. Yet even in THOSE kinds of situations it is easy to get rattled let alone if you're fighting for your life or something. You have to factor those things in.

Of course, sometimes in fights you get stunned and your brain rattled. Some fights are more frantic and fast paced than others thus not allowing you to analyze things quite as clearly as when it's fought at a slower pace. I don't disagree. However at WHATEVER pace it's being fought, your brain is actively thinking and processing info the entire time.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes I did see the movie. Can you remind me how Ozy made Dr. M not able to see the future?

You see you can't come back with "he used technology" because as good as the guy was he couldn't just magic up some technology so how did this technology get built without Doc knowing?

Watch the movie. He put over 1 billion dollars into _____ research to block John's vision of the future.

Anyways, the point is, he beat him.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Red Herring and Missing the point for the loss.

We aren't talking about Albert Einstein beating Tyson. Nobody is claiming being a super genius means you'll win every fight. What we ARE discussing is Ozy specifically. Somebody very adept at fighting, and very skilled. Being a super genius would only aid him further in a fight. That is the discussion here. Froth is claiming being a genius doesn't help you in a h2h encounter because your brain isn't actively thinking during the fight. That is blatantly and horrendously false. Some examples of thinking before the fight and mid fight

1. Analyzing the size of your foe as you to are getting into a verbal altercation
2. Noticing any friends or weapons in the immediate area that could become an issue
3. Actively thinking, if he throws a punch, I'm going to react like this, that or the other. Various scenarios run through your head
4. Mid fight, as you're getting taken down. Work to get back up... don't let him mount you... use your legs to create space and not take damage.... try and reverse the position. Those things should run through your mind as you're going down or while you're done.
5. After some exchanges, you two wrestle a little bit. You notice he's weaker than he looks. Your brain processes this, and give you the idea to take him down. Or the opposite, you lock up, feel his strength and realize you need to keep this standing
6. you'll notice his tendency on how he's throwing punches and what he's trying to do. These become apparent in a fight. Even a chaotic one. People have tendencies and styles all their own.

Your brain is constantly processing info as you fight. Just beause you don't think it is because it's happening so fast means nothing. It is. These thoughts and ideas and constantly running through your head. Those are active thoughts. You also have your brain noticing a punch coming and telling yoru body to react. Again, it processed the info and is thinking for you. It's telling you to move and makes your body move. That doesn't happen independent of the brain.

Oh, I get what you are saying, You're desperately grasping at something that would give Ozymandias the edge over a super human. But it doesn't exist.

None of what you're describing happens in a fight, you've seen too many action movies. Number 3 illustrates this especially. If someone throws a punch at you, you either a) flinch, freak out and turn your back. Or b) if your trained, tuck your chin and move your head, or raise your guard. There's zero higher brain analysis, or complex thought.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Well then you've agreed with me in total. That is exactly what I've been saying this entire time. Your brain is thinking and processing information the entire fight. That is what it does. Exactly what it does. Just because you process information at 1/100th or 1/300th of a second, and it's so fast you dont' realize it, doesn't mean your brain isn't thinking.

And herein lies the problem. Just because your brain is processing information doesn't mean that you're actively thinking.

When you breathe, that's your brain processing information. That doesn't mean that you actually need to think to be able to breath.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Oh, I get what you are saying, You're desperately grasping at something that would give Ozymandias the edge over a super human. But it doesn't exist.

None of what you're describing happens in a fight, you've seen too many action movies. Number 3 illustrates this especially. If someone throws a punch at you, you either a) flinch, freak out and turn your back. Or b) if your trained, tuck your chin and move your head, or raise your guard. There's zero higher brain analysis, or complex thought.

Again, totally and completely false. It's your brain that decides HOW you're going to move and tells your body to move. That doesn't happen independently of the brain at all. In fact, it couldn't happen without the brain. Nobody is talking about complex thought here, they aren't deducing the meaning of life mid fight. See, it's blatant obvious you don't realize what the brain is processing and what it isn't For example, once your eyes SEES what kind of punch is being thrown (Hook, Uppercut, Cross etc etc) SEE what angle it's coming from. Your brain deduces where you're going to move. You seriously don't understand that is the brain deducing that, it's not happening on your own independent of the brain. Your brain, almost instantly, processed the information your eyes saw, and deduced how you're going to try and dodge it.

Further, in every single fight I've ever been in, frantic, chaotic, fast or slow paced... each time, I'm thinking during the fight and processing what is occurring. Even when I've been on the ground trying to fend off attacks... I'm thinking about how I can reverse this position and what not to get caught in. Many things are going through your mind. Nobody is saying you're sitting there mid fight studying in depth every aspect of the fight. Point me to where I said that. What I did say, and what is 100% factual is, your brain is actively thinking and processing information during a fight. It's actively telling your body when and how to move. If you don't believe it is, then you should read more on the subject. Just because these things happen so fast that you dont' even realize your brain is doing all of that, doesn't mean it's not.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Further, in every single fight I've ever been in, frantic, chaotic, fast or slow paced... each time, I'm thinking during the fight and processing what is occurring. Even when I've been on the ground trying to fend off attacks... I'm thinking about how I can reverse this position and what not to get caught in. Many things are going through your mind.

There are only 2 reasons you can say such things. Either you're confusing your sparring sessions with real fights,

or you're completely making stuff up based on what you've been watching on TV.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again, totally and completely false. It's your brain that decides HOW you're going to move and tells your body to move. That doesn't happen independently of the brain at all. In fact, it couldn't happen without the brain. Nobody is talking about complex thought here, they aren't deducing the meaning of life mid fight. See, it's blatant obvious you don't realize what the brain is processing and what it isn't For example, once your eyes SEES what kind of punch is being thrown (Hook, Uppercut, Cross etc etc) SEE what angle it's coming from. Your brain deduces where you're going to move. You seriously don't understand that is the brain deducing that, it's not happening on your own independent of the brain. Your brain, almost instantly, processed the information your eyes saw, and deduced how you're going to try and dodge it.

Further, in every single fight I've ever been in, frantic, chaotic, fast or slow paced... each time, I'm thinking during the fight and processing what is occurring. Even when I've been on the ground trying to fend off attacks... I'm thinking about how I can reverse this position and what not to get caught in. Many things are going through your mind. Nobody is saying you're sitting there mid fight studying in depth every aspect of the fight. Point me to where I said that. What I did say, and what is 100% factual is, your brain is actively thinking and processing information during a fight. It's actively telling your body when and how to move. If you don't believe it is, then you should read more on the subject. Just because these things happen so fast that you dont' even realize your brain is doing all of that, doesn't mean it's not.

You're completely full of shit. I'm not saying you're brain isn't involved, but in a fight you aren't analyzing shit. It's primarily instinctual.

If you're in a fight, and someone throws a punch, you don't go "well, of course that's a left uppercut coming at solid 35 degree angle, I'd better side step and pivot!!!" you go, "fist coming, move!"

I'll bet you fantasize about fighting large groups of people, while wearing a trench coat, don't you?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You're completely full of shit. I'm not saying you're brain isn't involved, but in a fight you aren't analyzing shit. It's primarily instinctual.

If you're in a fight, and someone throws a punch, you don't go "well, of course that's a left uppercut coming at solid 35 degree angle, I'd better side step and pivot!!!" you go, "fist coming, move!"

I'll bet you fantasize about fighting large groups of people, while wearing a trench coat, don't you?

He actually fantasizes about biting a pillow while Ozy describes fighting large groups of people.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And herein lies the problem. Just because your brain is processing information doesn't mean that you're actively thinking.

When you breathe, that's your brain processing information. That doesn't mean that you actually need to think to be able to breath.

Totally and completely different situation. One is an auto response that you aren't even thinking about. THE OTHER in STARK contrast, you're actively thinking. Your brain is actively processing stuff.

You see a punch, the angle it's coming from, the kind of punch... Your EYES see this.. rely that information almost instantly to your brain, and your brain processes it, and goes... it coming from this angle, you better move this way. That was the brain doing that, and telling your body That wasn't a signal sent to breathe ever few seconds. Those two aren't even in the same ballpark as far as being similar

How about posting feats that show Ozy's fantastically amazing super duper excellent fighting intelligence?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
You're completely full of shit. I'm not saying you're brain isn't involved, but in a fight you aren't analyzing shit. It's primarily instinctual.

If you're in a fight, and someone throws a punch, you don't go "well, of course that's a left uppercut coming at solid 35 degree angle, I'd better side step and pivot!!!" you go, "fist coming, move!"

I'll bet you fantasize about fighting large groups of people, while wearing a trench coat, don't you?

You have zero clue what's going on there. Zero. Read more, and come back to the conversation kiddo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Totally and completely different situation. One is an auto response that you aren't even thinking about. THE OTHER in STARK contrast, you're actively thinking. Your brain is actively processing stuff.

You see a punch, the angle it's coming from, the kind of punch... Your EYES see this.. rely that information almost instantly to your brain, and your brain processes it, and goes... it coming from this angle, you better move this way. That was the brain doing that, and telling your body That wasn't a signal sent to breathe ever few seconds. Those two aren't even in the same ballpark as far as being similar

And again, this just shows how little you know about actual fighting. Punching, kicking and ducking ARE pretty much autoresponses in a fight, at least if you're trained for it. Only untrained people think about what they do in a fight. For majority of trained fighters, that's why you train moves over and over again, so that they become automatic responses to stimuli.

You can consciously control your breathing, you can think about slowing it down, holding it and speeding it up. In the same way you can think about throwing a punch, a kick or ducking.

BUT

Efficient and normal breathing requires no thought. In the same way that efficient fighting, especially when fighting for your life, shouldn't require thought. You try to do some active thinking in the middle of the fight instead of just reacting and you're gonna get your ass kicked.

You're so beyond clueless on this subject it's actually gross. Please go to Sherdog or any number of MMA sites, and please PLEASE post this line on there...

In the same way that efficient fighting, especially when fighting for your life, shouldn't require thought. You try to do some active thinking in the middle of the fight instead of just reacting and you're gonna get your ass kicked.

I'm promise you they'll laugh you off the site. Please post that, and see what comes after. The people that aren't thinking during fights are actually the ones getting their asses kicked. The fact is, your process IS actively processing information. That is what you don't get. No matter what side of the argument you're trying to take, you still lose

1. Your brain DEDUCES what a punch is. That is how you know a punch is a punch is from your brain. Your eyes see the punch, determine it's a punch, where it coming from, and you react. THAT IS YOUR BRAIN ACTIVELY THINKING and PROCESSING INFO. Which means you lose the argument as you claimed your brain isn't actively thinking and processing info

2. Your brain is actively processing further more in depth thinking. Strategy, what your foe is trying to do, his strength level or any of the 100's of things actively running through your mind during a fight. AGAIN, YOU LOSE THE ARGUMENT.

There isn't a single way you win this argument. Your brain is indeed actively processing info every second of a fight. Period. how intricate that is, depends on the circumstances, but it's still always thinking. I accept your concession on all matters.