Orion vs Wonder Woman

I think the best part of this thread was when I proved carter at least used scans of comics he hadn't read, if not outright lied, then when DarkSaint gave him the chance to prove me the liar or at least come clean that he hadn't read it, carter got mad at DARKSAINT, not me, before running away from the topic for one of multiple times here.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Bump. Orion wins.

DarkSaint, from what I remember, it might actually have turned out to be Circe with amnesia and thinking she was(and looking like) one of Diana's friends and had protected them. So, that's quite possibly carter getting it wrong, or just straight-up lying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, is this true?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Of course he won't reply to this. I did a bit of digging, I remembered correctly about Circe was among Diana's friends. In fact, there's nothing indicating that the force field they're theorizing about is the one carter's trying to argue. Diana is surprised that they think she has a force field that.....HEALS her friends.

As for it being Circe.....

I skimmed through the next few issues, so if they brought this up I didn't see, but couldn't find anything about this, but regardless it's questionable, Diana was even skeptical of it. The scan carter brought up was from WONDER WOMAN #99, my scans are from #100. And #100 was William Messner-Loebs' final issue before John Byrne took over. This was 1995.

Wasn't Wonder Woman getting that force field some time after 2000?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver, hello!!

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Shame on you, Carver!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver?

Originally posted by Delta1938
You've got a better chance of watching Big Foot and Elvis join an orgy with leprechauns in a giant chariot pulled by unicorns as porn stars pass out tacos and bacon cheeseburgers.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't respond to haters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate liars and stubborn fools, this is true. Especially if you tried to mislead me and lied to me with scans.

I AM giving you a chance to explain it, perhaps Delta is the one lying to me, so go at it.

Originally posted by carver9

They sell them at Walmart. 2 for 5.

I think you should put me on ignore. It wouldn't hurt me at all.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha. Like I said, maybe Delta was the one lying to me. I give you a chance, before I accused you of lying, and this is how you run away?

I mean, if you were wrong, man up and admit it. If you were lying, then continue to be all faux angry lol.

Diana's combat speed would make this very close. This could go either way.

Bump.

Originally posted by Stoic
Diana's combat speed would make this very close. This could go either way.

Nah.

Should make for a very good fight.

WW is a lot faster than Orion
That advantage alone gives her the edge.

Orion can only beat a gimped WW.

What's crazy is that Delta admitted to creating a bait thread where he feels Orion stomps WW and if anyone says WW wins means that they don't read comics. Yet he created the thread anyway?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Bump.

Nah.

Yeah. And if according to your logic from posts i saw. Superman is a high tiers team buster that can barely be stopped by the combined force of WW, Supergirl, MMH etc. And so Orion is at that same level and WW can't win. That means it was not necessary for you to create this thread. Since you seemed to be very sure that Orion would win without a shadow of a doubt. So what is there to debate, if you were already so sure about the outcome before you created the thread?

OT: If Superman is consistently shown as a being above the whole JL and Orion scales to him. Then Orion would win this no doubt. Since i don't see superman portayed as a being that all JL together can't stop in 99% of his overall appearances, then i say he is not consistently portrayed as a high tiers team buster that would stomp a combined effort from WW, MMH; Flash, SG etc. So Orion is not a high tiers team buster level character either based on consistent showins from him and the character he scales off aka SM. So i see no reason to believe that Diana has no chance of wining, let alone Orion winning in a stomp.

Wonder Woman stomps.

Lol.

Originally posted by h1a8
WW is a lot faster than Orion
That advantage alone gives her the edge.

No she's not. She's way, way slower than Superman. To the point he can fly off, hide a Kandor replica, and return before she notices he left.

https://ibb.co/4ZxBfd3
https://ibb.co/Z8487QR
https://ibb.co/YQLbySz

And yes, it's canon to early Post-CRISIS. Darkseid is so fast he moved without THAT Superman seeing him move.

https://ibb.co/W3489Nh

And yet Orion matched Darkseid at super speed hand-to-hand for most of an issue.

https://ibb.co/YQmZmvr
https://ibb.co/bb3Pc2S
https://ibb.co/jgxjGXy
https://ibb.co/R9B0Q19
https://ibb.co/ChnrqvH
https://ibb.co/fqnXVd3
https://ibb.co/QrM7fWj
https://ibb.co/PZg2N0V
https://ibb.co/ScCqxqL
https://ibb.co/LxvQQ8V
https://ibb.co/dBtp92T
https://ibb.co/tbbqW8L
https://ibb.co/xGpj6zG
https://ibb.co/gFMJrG3
https://ibb.co/rkf8CyS
https://ibb.co/R7HyYg6
https://ibb.co/Bj6tw2r
https://ibb.co/xLxR7Wq

So Orion matched Darkseid in speed and Darkseid>Byrne-era Superman >>Wonder Woman. But Wonder Wonan has the speed advantage? Because you ride her strap on?

Originally posted by h1a8

Orion can only beat a gimped WW.

:laughs: Then answer why it was Orion sent alone to fight Superman in MOT #13 while Wonder Woman got ragdolled with help.

Originally posted by h1a8

What's crazy is that Delta admitted to creating a bait thread where he feels Orion stomps WW and if anyone says WW wins means that they don't read comics. Yet he created the thread anyway?

No dummy. I created the topic to keep a different topic from getting derailed.

Originally posted by riv6672

You should start an Orion/WW thread, see what the board consensus is on your opinion.

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=631044&pagenumber=3

Now I want an apology for false accusations. If you don't apologize for your blatantly false accusations I will report you for trolling.

Originally posted by light889
Yeah. And if according to your logic from posts i saw. Superman is a high tiers team buster that can barely be stopped by the combined force of WW, Supergirl, MMH etc. And so Orion is at that same level and WW can't win. That means it was not necessary for you to create this thread. Since you seemed to be very sure that Orion would win without a shadow of a doubt. So what is there to debate, if you were already so sure about the outcome before you created the thread?

OT: If Superman is consistently shown as a being above the whole JL and Orion scales to him. Then Orion would win this no doubt. Since i don't see superman portayed as a being that all JL together can't stop in 99% of his overall appearances, then i say he is not consistently portrayed as a high tiers team buster that would stomp a combined effort from WW, MMH; Flash, SG etc. So Orion is not a high tiers team buster level character either based on consistent showins from him and the character he scales off aka SM. So i see no reason to believe that Diana has no chance of wining, let alone Orion winning in a stomp.

I posted why I made the topic, to avoid derailing another thread. But I still have the right to make a thread regardless of what I think the outcome is. Really this board is unnecessary, but here we still argue on it. This post just looks like you're whining about it. Which is your right, but 😆 .

If you ignore Superman holds back significantly most of the time and does indeed prove to be the level I argued when he doesn't, sure, your line of thinking works. Only if you ignore the comics you don't like, though.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman stomps.

Then why have you had to lie multiple times in this topic and ran away like a little b itch when exposed for lying? Or how about an even more accurate description. You ran away like a carter. Derrick, the Damsel In Distress.

Really, my first name? Anyways, Wonder Woman ties him up before he can react and stabs him.

Originally posted by carver9
Really, my first name? Anyways, Wonder Woman ties him up before he can react and stabs him.

Yes, you gave it publicly and freely. Why are you(at least seemingly) having issues with being called it if you told us all it? I genuinely want to know.

How does she tie up someone faster than her, stronger than her and can phase? And how does she stab him when she doesn't use swords as standard equipment? Go read the OP Derrick The Dummy, this is Pre-FLASHPOINT.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Pre-FLASHPOINT versions.

On the Earth of an uninhabited duplicate solar system in a tesseract.

Originally posted by light889
Yeah. And if according to your logic from posts i saw. Superman is a high tiers team buster that can barely be stopped by the combined force of WW, Supergirl, MMH etc. And so Orion is at that same level and WW can't win. That means it was not necessary for you to create this thread. Since you seemed to be very sure that Orion would win without a shadow of a doubt. So what is there to debate, if you were already so sure about the outcome before you created the thread?

OT: If Superman is consistently shown as a being above the whole JL and Orion scales to him. Then Orion would win this no doubt. Since i don't see superman portayed as a being that all JL together can't stop in 99% of his overall appearances, then i say he is not consistently portrayed as a high tiers team buster that would stomp a combined effort from WW, MMH; Flash, SG etc. So Orion is not a high tiers team buster level character either based on consistent showins from him and the character he scales off aka SM. So i see no reason to believe that Diana has no chance of wining, let alone Orion winning in a stomp.

A serious Superman would beat the shit out of Orion. He’d literally make Orion look like he was moving in slow motion. Diana vs Orion would be a close one.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I posted why I made the topic, to avoid derailing another thread. But I still have the right to make a thread regardless of what I think the outcome is. Really this board is unnecessary, but here we still argue on it. This post just looks like you're whining about it. Which is your right, but 😆 .

If you ignore Superman holds back significantly most of the time and does indeed prove to be the level I argued when he doesn't, sure, your line of thinking works. Only if you ignore the comics you don't like, though.

Superman holds back. But he can't hold back his durability. And all the characters mentioned have shown to have the power output to damage him multiple times. And other super heroes including WW also hold back the majority of the time. That's the status quo for most heroes. They have moral codes and all that. The majorirty of SM's feats when going all out don't suggest that he would stomp a team of high tiers also fighting back with all they got. So i still don't view SM as above a team effort of WW, Flash, SG, MMH etc. And some of them have already proven to be capable of giving him a good fight in a serious battle one on one.

Ignore the comics i don't like? You mean like when you tried to ignore WW being able to put up a fight against bloodlusted SM while she was holding back. Or the fact that her speed is never too slow to react and tag the likes of Superman, Darkseid etc when they have have fought?

Originally posted by Delta1938
No she's not. She's way, way slower than Superman. To the point he can fly off, hide a Kandor replica, and return before she notices he left.

https://ibb.co/4ZxBfd3
https://ibb.co/Z8487QR
https://ibb.co/YQLbySz

And yes, it's canon to early Post-CRISIS. Darkseid is so fast he moved without THAT Superman seeing him move.

https://ibb.co/W3489Nh

And yet Orion matched Darkseid at super speed hand-to-hand for most of an issue.

https://ibb.co/YQmZmvr
https://ibb.co/bb3Pc2S
https://ibb.co/jgxjGXy
https://ibb.co/R9B0Q19
https://ibb.co/ChnrqvH
https://ibb.co/fqnXVd3
https://ibb.co/QrM7fWj
https://ibb.co/PZg2N0V
https://ibb.co/ScCqxqL
https://ibb.co/LxvQQ8V
https://ibb.co/dBtp92T
https://ibb.co/tbbqW8L
https://ibb.co/xGpj6zG
https://ibb.co/gFMJrG3
https://ibb.co/rkf8CyS
https://ibb.co/R7HyYg6
https://ibb.co/Bj6tw2r
https://ibb.co/xLxR7Wq

So Orion matched Darkseid in speed and Darkseid>Byrne-era Superman >>Wonder Woman. But Wonder Wonan has the speed advantage? Because you ride her strap on?

:laughs: Then answer why it was Orion sent alone to fight Superman in MOT #13 while Wonder Woman got ragdolled with help.

No dummy. I created the topic to keep a different topic from getting derailed.

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=631044&pagenumber=3

Now I want an apology for false accusations. If you don't apologize for your blatantly false accusations I will report you for trolling.

WW is able to keep up with Both Superman and Darkseid in combat just fine as we have seen in multiple battles. They are far from too fast for her to react and tag. Since scaling is so important. WW also tages Cheetah constantly. Who can also tag Superman and Flash. And has been said to be near Flash speed. In fact WW has been said to have better reflexes than SM. So 2 can play this game.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I posted why I made the topic, to avoid derailing another thread. But I still have the right to make a thread regardless of what I think the outcome is. Really this board is unnecessary, but here we still argue on it. This post just looks like you're whining about it. Which is your right, but 😆 .

If you ignore Superman holds back significantly most of the time and does indeed prove to be the level I argued when he doesn't, sure, your line of thinking works. Only if you ignore the comics you don't like, though.

Wonder Woman reflexes>>Supermans

Originally posted by Delta1938
No she's not. She's way, way slower than Superman. To the point he can fly off, hide a Kandor replica, and return before she notices he left.

https://ibb.co/4ZxBfd3
https://ibb.co/Z8487QR
https://ibb.co/YQLbySz

And yes, it's canon to early Post-CRISIS. Darkseid is so fast he moved without THAT Superman seeing him move.

https://ibb.co/W3489Nh

And yet Orion matched Darkseid at super speed hand-to-hand for most of an issue.

https://ibb.co/YQmZmvr
https://ibb.co/bb3Pc2S
https://ibb.co/jgxjGXy
https://ibb.co/R9B0Q19
https://ibb.co/ChnrqvH
https://ibb.co/fqnXVd3
https://ibb.co/QrM7fWj
https://ibb.co/PZg2N0V
https://ibb.co/ScCqxqL
https://ibb.co/LxvQQ8V
https://ibb.co/dBtp92T
https://ibb.co/tbbqW8L
https://ibb.co/xGpj6zG
https://ibb.co/gFMJrG3
https://ibb.co/rkf8CyS
https://ibb.co/R7HyYg6
https://ibb.co/Bj6tw2r
https://ibb.co/xLxR7Wq

So Orion matched Darkseid in speed and Darkseid>Byrne-era Superman >>Wonder Woman. But Wonder Wonan has the speed advantage? Because you ride her strap on?

:laughs: Then answer why it was Orion sent alone to fight Superman in MOT #13 while Wonder Woman got ragdolled with help.

No dummy. I created the topic to keep a different topic from getting derailed.

https://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=631044&pagenumber=3

Now I want an apology for false accusations. If you don't apologize for your blatantly false accusations I will report you for trolling.

You are either trolling or extremely bias.
Here are some facts.
1. Superman fighting someone doesn't prove they have the same speed (or close) in general.
2. You can't use a character's lowest showings against another ones highest showings. You can't just pick and choose. Diana has the speed and reflexes to defend against a lot of Superman's attacks. She has lassoed Zoom when Zoom was operating at metroman perceptions and moving at light speed. Zoom is faster than Superman. WW has nearly 100% blocked light speed attacks. WW has ducked and dodged Superman punches, blocked his hv, etc.
3. There are different levels of superspeed. For example, bullets peed is superspeed. But bulletspeed is a statue to WW. Therefore showing Orion is faster than a human doesn't prove he is as fast as WW or even close.

Orion is not even considered a speedster more than 90% of the time.
He has no quantifiable feats that can match WW. He has no defense against the lasso (prove me wrong).

Originally posted by Delta1938
Yes, you gave it publicly and freely. Why are you(at least seemingly) having issues with being called it if you told us all it? I genuinely want to know.

How does she tie up someone faster than her, stronger than her and can phase? And how does she stab him when she doesn't use swords as standard equipment? Go read the OP Derrick The Dummy, this is Pre-FLASHPOINT.