Originally posted by Silent MasterCap can hold his shield up and hope that DS shoots at the shield. But he can't trace the aim from that distance to know exactly where and when DS is going to aim for the groin or legs
Are you retarded? because you're now trying to argue that Cap can block from short but not long range. when long range shots would actually give Cap more time to react.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap protected his legs in two types of scenarios. When he was turtled up (immobile) and when he was at close range against Bucky.Cap will not be turtled up in this fight. He will be actively trying to close the distance through running. I can dictate that because it's based off Caps character and how he actually acted in the movie.
Cap can't block both his face and legs simultaneously if he's on the move. He only proven to be able to do so when he was fighting at close range. There is no evidence to suggest that Cap can aim block accurately from 50m away. If you disagree then please provide evidence of it.
Caps shield cannot cover his entire torso unless he is turtled up. When he is running forward his lower abdomen and groin are exposed as shown in the movies. If you disagree then show a scene where Cap is running forward and his groin is not exposed.
His quads would be a huge stationary target, even if he's running forward. Because they are not moving laterally at all.
You agree that if DS aims at Caps legs then he would be able to hit them right? If don't then why not?
Do you know what a double standard is? Because it's effectively what you're doing.
I posted feats of Cap blocking his legs, then you go and say "No it's not applicable in this fight because he has never covered his legs at 50m". So in this scenario, you're unwilling to give Cap an attribute because he has no feats of doing the exact same thing.
And yet you're completely willing to attribute DS as able to shoot fast moving feet and legs despite him NEVER doing so in the movies, not even having any feats of shooting an opponent who was trying to avoid getting shot.
You can't have it both ways dude. Do you want to base this completely on feats or not?
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap can hold his shield up and hope that DS shoots at the shield. But he can't trace the aim from that distance to know exactly where and when DS is going to aim for the groin or legs
How do you know that he can't trace that aim at that distance? Have you ever once seen Cap get hit while he had his shield? As far as I can recall, he has always been able to block incoming gunfire with his shield, regardless of where it's aimed at.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Do you know what a double standard is? Because it's effectively what you're doing.I posted feats of Cap blocking his legs, then you go and say "No it's not applicable in this fight because he has never covered his legs at 50m". So in this scenario, you're unwilling to give Cap an attribute because he has no feats of doing the exact same thing.
And yet you're completely willing to attribute DS as able to shoot fast moving feet and legs despite him NEVER doing so in the movies, not even having any feats of shooting an opponent who was trying to avoid getting shot.
You can't have it both ways dude. Do you want to base this completely on feats or not?
You didn't post feats of Cap blocking his legs while being on the forward move and while being 50m away or farther from the shooter.
Again, prove that Cap can tell the difference between a head aim and a groin aim from that distance? Because the change in aim is a few millimeters.
Caps legs(quads) and groin will be stationary with respect to DS. That's like moving a mirror forward and backwards really fast. Anyone will still hit the mirror with a shot.
Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't post feats of Cap blocking his legs while being on the forward move and while being 50m away or farther from the shooter.
Again, prove that Cap can tell the difference between a head aim and a groin aim from that distance? Because the change in aim is a few millimeters.Caps legs(quads) and groin will be stationary with respect to DS. That's like moving a mirror forward and backwards really fast. Anyone will still hit the mirror with a shot.
You didn't answer my question. Are we basing all abilities on feats? Meaning if we can't post the feats then they are incapable of doing so? Is this your stance?
That's the only scene I can recall of Steve putting his shield in front while he runs. Puts it up over his face, braces his shoulder, goes straight ahead. Lots of lower body exposed, can't see anything but the inside of the shield.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's shield doesn't cover his entire body. Parts will be exposed. Do you think Cap will adjust his shield to DS's aim from 50m away? If so then what evidence do you have to support Cap being able to trace an aim from 50m accurately (where a slight difference of a few millimeters becomes the difference between a head shot and a groin shot)? How would Cap know where he's aiming at from that distance? I can understand up close and personal though.Are you claiming that DS won't choose to shoot Cap in the belly, groin, or legs if Cap got his shield up at his face? Or are you claiming that he isn't able to hit those areas?
Cap's shield has indeed covered his entire body..
Originally posted by KingD19
Gonna need you to fix the grammar on this. I honestly don't know what you're saying.
yes you do too you ignoramus ...Bycky shoot Floyd as soon as match starts.. I say that because well I'm the exact smae thing you and the rest of the dumb idiot contingent are doing.. Also Cap wear a suit made out of vibranium...
Originally posted by FrothByte
How do you know that he can't trace that aim at that distance? Have you ever once seen Cap get hit while he had his shield? As far as I can recall, he has always been able to block incoming gunfire with his shield, regardless of where it's aimed at.
Yes by holding the shield up and hoping they don't go for the legs (as spider-man suggested as proof). Cap never lowered the shield to block his legs when he was moving forward except the time he was 3ft away from the shooter.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerYes when he's turtled up. It's amazing how someone can subtract a single word (or phrase) from a statement and it changes the whole meaning. This is a strawman. Basically I said he was never shown to be able to cover his entire body WHEN ON THE FORWARD MOVE.
Cap's shield has indeed covered his entire body..yes you do too you ignoramus ...Bycky shoot Floyd as soon as match starts.. I say that because well I'm the exact smae thing you and the rest of the dumb idiot contingent are doing.. Also Cap wear a suit made out of vibranium...
See how that last part changes the whole meaning?
Originally posted by KingD19
YouTube videoThat's the only scene I can recall of Steve putting his shield in front while he runs. Puts it up over his face, braces his shoulder, goes straight ahead. Lots of lower body exposed, can't see anything but the inside of the shield.
So are we basing all abilities on feats? I just want to get this clear because we have to apply the same standard to Cap and DS.
Should we discard implied skill and base it only on feats shown?
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes by holding the shield up and hoping they don't go for the legs (as spider-man suggested as proof). Cap never lowered the shield to block his legs when he was moving forward except the time he was 3ft away from the shooter.
Still waiting for you to answer my question. Are we only considering abilities that are backed up by exact feats?
Originally posted by h1a8
no evidence to support shows that he doesn't have that ability. He wasn't proven to be a bullet timer. Actually there is plenty evidence to suggest that he's not one.
I asked you to back up your claim and you've responded by trying to change the argument. I'm going to take that as a concession.
Thank you.
Originally posted by KingD19
Cap's suit isn't vibranium. His shield has vibranium in it. If his suit was Vibranium, he couldn't get shot, just like Panther.And it only covers his body when he huddles up.
Please I'm doing what you doing you ignaramus.. Cap suit is now completely made of vibranium so deal with it..... Cap's shield is big enough to cover his whole body and I have already posted a vid of him crouching/turtling up so that the shield can cover his entire body. Instead of sucking on Floyd and cumming all over the place, prove Floyd can even hit Cap, since Cap has actual feats of moving fast and blocking with his shield..
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes when he's turtled up. It's amazing how someone can subtract a single word (or phrase) from a statement and it changes the whole meaning. This is a strawman. Basically I said he was never shown to be able to cover his entire body WHEN ON THE FORWARD MOVE.See how that last part changes the whole meaning?
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Originally posted by Silent Master
I asked you to back up your claim and you've responded by trying to change the argument. I'm going to take that as a concession.Thank you.
I did. I said no evidence exists to support it.
I claim that Cap can't transmute matter like Silver surfer. It is backed up by there not being a shred of evidence to support it.
We use feats or evidence to support what a character can do. If no feats or evidence exists then the character can't do that thing.