Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerCap is not a bullet timer. How does he not get shot? Holding the shield to his face doesn't make his legs or groin also bulletproof. DS is not going to purposely shoot at the shield. Any idiot would go for the exposed area. Even Spider-man of all people even said that.
you continue to be dumb... Cap won;t be getting shot there either.. PROVE IT WITH ACTUAL FACTS ...
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is not a bullet timer. How does he not get shot? Holding the shield to his face doesn't make his legs or groin also bulletproof. DS is not going to purposely shoot at the shield. Any idiot would go for the exposed area. Even Spider-man of all people even said that.
Because Cap is a master of trajectory and he can easily move his shield to cover the area that DS points at.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You are attaching yourself to Bucky's acceleration when it is irrelevant.He has already attained full speed right as Cap was still landing. It is always going to be his top speed vs Cap's acceleration needed to equalize speeds vs the starting distance and end distance as per the equation I posted.
And yes, Bucky being able to attain a sudden higher acceleration from a slow start isn't impossible or even surprising, objects/characters/etc need not have constant acceleration. They can have bursts of speed like any person or thing (electric cars have sudden acceleration while internal combustion engines need quite a bit more time to attain top speed) w/c would be depending on his level of focus on running as well as the effort he exerts. We use constant acceleration computations in order to determine acceleration within the specific scene in question, not to establish maximums for all other scenes. <------This is very very important.
Me equating Bucky's acceleration to Cap's was actually helping Cap. But since Cap and Bucky can't be equals to you then Cap accelerates slower than Bucky which hurts his case.
There is no contradiction here. You cannot attach yourself to the idea that they can only have constant acceleration. Their acceleration can be constant or can come in bursts. Whichever does not contradict writer's intent is what we use.
And tunnels in Germany have a speed limit of 80-100 kph (50-60mph), so my assesment of 45 mph is quite fair. Plus it is backed by the Audi commercial I posted earlier. The family was driving 45 mph cruising in the exact same freeway they shot the Civil War chase scene. There was no jam, the speed should be consistent with any average liesurely drive thru a tunnel. Not fast, mind you as 45 mph isn't exactly that fast.
They "look" slow because they were likely slowed down for safety and for cameraplay to tell the story (ppl can't really run 55mph, so they had to slow the cars down to create the illusion that they were outrunning the cars). What we know is that this was not a busy freeway (as even at full speed, the pursuit police vehicles wasn't exactly zipping thru cars w/c they would had the cars been moving slow).
It is obvious that the writer wanted to create a superhero-esque car chase scene. Which is a car chase without the cars.
You are assuming stuff. These are not facts. It's speculation. Cars do actually go slow when there is heavy traffic. This is a reality. Thus it's a possibility. I drive everyday and, in rush hour, it's a *****. You have 0 proof that the all the cars were intended to be traveling 45mph AT all times. Some of those cars could have been intended to be going 30mph or slower due to heavy traffic. And that didn't look like a tunnel where cars go that fast naturally. It was too small (in width) with columns everywhere. Why would anyone be going fast in a dark tunnel with heavy traffic and a billion columns around (instant death)?
Even if I went with what you are saying then If the speed of the cars can't be taken literally then NOTHING can. We don't know how long it would take Cap to reach top speed. We can only guess. Thus the scene cannot be used to extrapolate anything. Everything is unknown, even time (since we can't even trust Bucky's 40ft in 4 seconds).
Why are we even discussing the speed of the cars now when you just recently accepted the speeds to be correct? Are you taking back what you said now?
No, I just agreed with your estimates because 2.8seconds is enough time for DS get off several shots to win. To be honest. I know that Cap is superhuman. Thus he obviously runs faster than 22mph. If I had to do an intelligent guess I would say somewhere around 40mph. That's fair I would say.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap is not a bullet timer. How does he not get shot? Holding the shield to his face doesn't make his legs or groin also bulletproof. DS is not going to purposely shoot at the shield. Any idiot would go for the exposed area. Even Spider-man of all people even said that.
okay dummy.... CapHAS FEATS showing he can and will put up his shield to cover his face as well as his body.. after all i did post avid showing Cap do just that... why you cannot comprehend this makes no sense...
second POST SOME DAMN F&CKING VIDS OF DEADSHOT SHOOTING PEOPLE IN THE LEGS or RECALL HIM DOING THAT.. THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY CHOICES, OTHERWISE SHUT THE F&CK UP...
Originally posted by FrothByte
Because Cap is a master of trajectory and he can easily move his shield to cover the area that DS points at.
exactly
Deadshot is a master of trajectory as well.
And saying "SHOW FEATS OF HIM SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE LEGS" is like saying, show feats of Cap doing an axe kick. We've never seen him do it because he hasn't needed to, but that doesn't mean he can't. You're essentially saying it's impossible for Deadshot to aim for anywhere other than chest and head, despite him being literally the best gunman in the world.
Originally posted by FrothByteThere is no evidence that Cap has the ability to know what DS is pointing from 50m away. A few millimeters difference in aim is the difference between a head shot and a groin shot from 50m away. From up close then you have a point. Cap as proven capable at h2h range to trace the aim and one has to shift their aim a significant distance to go from head to legs from h2h distance.
Because Cap is a master of trajectory and he can easily move his shield to cover the area that DS points at.
Originally posted by KingD19
Deadshot is a master of trajectory as well.And saying "SHOW FEATS OF HIM SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE LEGS" is like saying, show feats of Cap doing an axe kick. We've never seen him do it because he hasn't needed to, but that doesn't mean he can't. You're essentially saying it's impossible for Deadshot to aim for anywhere other than chest and head, despite him being literally the best gunman in the world.
please... then i can and will Cap feats he wasn't shown to do...,
Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
okay dummy.... Cap[b]HAS FEATS showing he can and will put up his shield to cover his face as well as his body.. after all i did post avid showing Cap do just that... why you cannot comprehend this makes no sense...second POST SOME DAMN F&CKING VIDS OF DEADSHOT SHOOTING PEOPLE IN THE LEGS or RECALL HIM DOING THAT.. THOSE ARE YOUR ONLY CHOICES, OTHERWISE SHUT THE F&CK UP...
exactly [/B]
Cap's shield doesn't cover his entire body. Parts will be exposed. Do you think Cap will adjust his shield to DS's aim from 50m away? If so then what evidence do you have to support Cap being able to trace an aim from 50m accurately (where a slight difference of a few millimeters becomes the difference between a head shot and a groin shot)? How would Cap know where he's aiming at from that distance? I can understand up close and personal though.
Are you claiming that DS won't choose to shoot Cap in the belly, groin, or legs if Cap got his shield up at his face? Or are you claiming that he isn't able to hit those areas?
Originally posted by h1a8
Me equating Bucky's acceleration to Cap's was actually helping Cap. But since Cap and Bucky can't be equals to you then Cap accelerates slower than Bucky which hurts his case.You are assuming stuff. These are not facts. It's speculation. Cars do actually go slow when there is heavy traffic. This is a reality. Thus it's a possibility. I drive everyday and, in rush hour, it's a *****. You have 0 proof that the all the cars were intended to be traveling 45mph AT all times. Some of those cars could have been intended to be going 30mph or slower due to heavy traffic. And that didn't look like a tunnel where cars go that fast naturally. It was too small (in width) with columns everywhere. Why would anyone be going fast in a dark tunnel with heavy traffic and a billion columns around (instant death)?
Even if I went with what you are saying then If the speed of the cars can't be taken literally then NOTHING can. We don't know how long it would take Cap to reach top speed. We can only guess. Thus the scene cannot be used to extrapolate anything. Everything is unknown, even time (since we can't even trust Bucky's 40ft in 4 seconds).
No, I just agreed with your estimates because 2.8seconds is enough time for DS get off several shots to win. To be honest. I know that Cap is superhuman. Thus he obviously runs faster than 22mph. If I had to do an intelligent guess I would say somewhere around 40mph. That's fair I would say.
No one runs at 55 mph IRL h1, you are requiring the filmakers to bend reality in order to portray their characters as moving faster than cars when it is clear-as-day obvious what they were trying to portray by using cameraplay for you to believe in it. This is a laughably despicable debating tactic as you know fully well that the filmmakers were trying to portray here.
Have you ever driven before? Cruising at 45mph is common in tunnels. I mean, where do you live?
Yes, IF there is heavy traffic. There was no such thing in the highway chase scene. Cars were going at regular cruising speed. And the Audi commercial demonstrated that they were going 45 mph. It is not canon to the movie, no. But it is the exact same tunnel shown under the exact same traffic conditions as the movie. And they were driving at 45 mph cruising. Thus it is admissible on determining how fast cars in that area would be moving IRL under the same traffic conditions. This alone trumps all the speculative evidence you have provided.
Tunnels in germany have speed limits of 80-100 kph. Research the speed limits on tunnels. Ppl in any general, in any country would not drive well below the speed limit unless there is heavy traffic. Which there ws none.
Heck no 40 mph is fair. The pursuit police vehicle was being portrayed to be moving at top speeds and it barely caught up, hell no that was 40 mph. I would put Cap at 60+ mph at least were I to pick as they were moving MUCH faster than the cars zipping past several almost as if they were standing still, but I put 55 mph as it was a decent compromise to be fair for both sides.
Ahhh, so you're backtracking since you can no longer downplay Cap's accel, now you're trying to downplay the speed at which the cars move in a freeway tunnel.
That is sad, h1.
Originally posted by KingD19
Deadshot is a master of trajectory as well.And saying "SHOW FEATS OF HIM SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE LEGS" is like saying, show feats of Cap doing an axe kick. We've never seen him do it because he hasn't needed to, but that doesn't mean he can't. You're essentially saying it's impossible for Deadshot to aim for anywhere other than chest and head, despite him being LITERALLY THE BEST GUNMAN IN THE ENTIRE DC UNIVERSE.
Fixed it for you...
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Originally posted by Nibedicus
No one runs at 55 mph IRL h1, you are requiring the filmakers to bend reality in order to portray their characters as moving faster than cars when it is clear-as-day obvious what they were trying to portray by using cameraplay for you to believe in it. This is a laughably despicable debating tactic as you know fully well that the filmmakers were trying to portray here.Have you ever driven before? Cruising at 45mph is common in tunnels. I mean, where do you live?
Yes, IF there is heavy traffic. There was no such thing in the highway chase scene. Cars were going at regular cruising speed. And the Audi commercial demonstrated that they were going 45 mph. It is not canon to the movie, no. But it is the exact same tunnel shown under the exact same traffic conditions as the movie. And they were driving at 45 mph cruising. Thus it is admissible on determining how fast cars in that area would be moving IRL under the same traffic conditions. This alone trumps all the speculative evidence you have provided.
Tunnels in germany have speed limits of 80-100 kph. Research the speed limits on tunnels. Ppl in any general, in any country would not drive well below the speed limit unless there is heavy traffic. Which there ws none.
Heck no 40 mph is fair. The pursuit police vehicle was being portrayed to be moving at top speeds and it barely caught up, hell no that was 40 mph. I would put Cap at 60+ mph at least were I to pick as they were moving MUCH faster than the cars zipping past several almost as if they were standing still, but I put 55 mph as it was a decent compromise to be fair for both sides.
Ahhh, so you're backtracking since you can no longer downplay Cap's accel, now you're trying to downplay the speed at which the cars move in a freeway tunnel.
That is sad, h1.
I'm actually debating for the fun of it. It is possible that the cars were intended to go slow at times due to traffic. That's why they are so close to each other at times. Safety reasons contradicts the closeness the cars were from each other. If you disagree, then what's your proof that it is not possible that cars were intended to be moving slowly due to heavy traffic?
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm actually debating for the fun of it. It is possible that the cars were intended to go slow at times due to traffic. That's why they are so close to each other at times. Safety reasons contradicts the closeness the cars were from each other. If you disagree, then what's your proof that it is not possible that cars were intended to be moving slowly due to heavy traffic?
Audi commercial.
Also, burden of proof is on you to prove that they were as you are the one making the assertion of traffic.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't make a claim. You did. I said there is a POSSIBILITY of something else.
The audi commercial is not Canon to the film.
Read what I wrote the reply prior to the last pls.
If all you are saying that is probable then I am free to disregard your post as purely guesswork.
Originally posted by KingD19When did Deadshot wound batman ?
Deadshot is a master of trajectory as well.And saying "SHOW FEATS OF HIM SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE LEGS" is like saying, show feats of Cap doing an axe kick. We've never seen him do it because he hasn't needed to, but that doesn't mean he can't. You're essentially saying it's impossible for Deadshot to aim for anywhere other than chest and head, despite him being literally the best gunman in the world.
Originally posted by h1a8This is why no one takes you seriously. You aren't reasonable and openly troll.
I'm actually debating for the fun of it. It is possible that the cars were intended to go slow at times due to traffic. That's why they are so close to each other at times. Safety reasons contradicts the closeness the cars were from each other. If you disagree, then what's your proof that it is not possible that cars were intended to be moving slowly due to heavy traffic?