Originally posted by h1a8
I did. I said no evidence exists to support it.I claim that Cap can't transmute matter like Silver surfer. It is backed up by there not being a shred of evidence to support it.
We use feats or evidence to support what a character can do. If no feats or evidence exists then the character can't do that thing.
So post feats of DS hitting someone as fast as Cap in the legs.
Originally posted by Silent MasterIn the scene where DS does the demonstration to his ability. He shoots every bullet in the same hole.
So post feats of DS hitting someone as fast as Cap in the legs.
The target wasn't moving was it? Neither will Caps quads and groin with respect to DS.
His quads and groin (even lower abdomen) will always in be in the line of fire unless Cap is running sideways.
Originally posted by h1a8
In the scene where DS does the demonstration to his ability. He shoots every bullet in the same hole.The target wasn't moving was it? Neither will Caps quads and groin with respect to DS.
His quads and groin (even lower abdomen) will always in be in the line of fire unless Cap is running sideways.
Shooting non moving targets from a few yards isn't proof that DS can hit a moving target moving at Cap level speed, especially when that target has a shield and multiple feats of blocking bullets.
Originally posted by Silent MasterDS would not be shooting at a moving target. Caps frontal cross section will be stationary as he's moving forward. For example, his groin and lower abdomen will appear stationary (actually growing larger and larger as Cap gets closer and closer).
Shooting non moving targets from a few yards isn't proof that DS can hit a moving target moving at Cap level speed, especially when that target has a shield and multiple feats of blocking bullets.
Cap doesn't have any feats of knowing when to lower the shield to block his legs instead of face from 50m away.
Is DS points at Caps head then he would only have to lower the gun by a few millimeters to point it at his groin or high quadricep.
DS can arguably do this before Cap can lower the shield since DS is moving his hand many times less distance than Cap has to move his hands and Cap starts moving AFTER DS has already started moving. But that's assuming that Cap has feats of being able to trace an aim from that far exactly. Will he know where DS is aiming at? Does he have feats to support that ability?
Originally posted by h1a8
DS would not be shooting at a moving target. Caps frontal cross section will be stationary as he's moving forward. For example, his groin and lower abdomen will appear stationary (actually growing larger and larger as Cap gets closer and closer).
I understand that shooting the feet with be tricky but not so much the lower abdomen, groin, or high quadricep.Cap doesn't have any feats of knowing when to lower the shield to block his legs instead of face from 50m away.
Is DS points at Caps head then he would only have to lower the gun by a few millimeters to point it at his groin or high quadricep.
DS can arguably do this before Cap can lower the shield since DS is moving his hand many times less distance than Cap is and Cap starts moving AFTER DS has already started moving. But that's assuming that Cap has feats of being able to trace an aim from that far exactly. Will he knew where DS is aiming at? Does he have feats to support that ability?
You still haven't posted any feats of DS shooting someone with Cap's speed that has a means of defending themselves and a history of blocking bullets.
Originally posted by Silent Master
You still haven't posted any feats of DS shooting someone with Cap's speed that has a means of defending themselves and a history of blocking bullets.
I don't need to. I already said that Caps cross sectional speed will Be 0.His frontal cross section will be stationary. That's like a forward moving mirror is headed for you. Hitting it will be the same(if not easier) than if it was completely still. So why are you keep saying "someone with Cap's speed"? Irrelevant!
Cap has no history of blocking bullets from 50m away or more where he responds to a change in aim and blocks his legs instead of his face and chest. Cap ALWAYS ran with the shield blocking his upper body with his lower body exposed.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't need to. I already said that Caps cross sectional speed will Be 0.His frontal cross section will be stationary. That's like a forward moving mirror is headed for you. Hitting it will be the same(if not easier) than if it was completely still. So why are you keep saying "someone with Cap's speed"? Irrelevant!Cap has no history of blocking bullets from 50m away or more where he responds to a change in aim and blocks his legs instead of his face and chest. Cap ALWAYS ran with the shield blocking his upper body with his lower body exposed.
So you admit that DS has no history of hitting a moving target that has a means to defend itself and a history of blocking bullets.
Originally posted by Silent MasterWow this trolling has just got to stop. Do you you actually read my posts or just skim through? I just said that Caps frontal cross section will be stationary to DS. His abdomen, groin, and high quadriceps will be stationary targets while Cap is moving forward. Stop thinking feet. That's so old news.
So you admit that DS has no history of hitting a moving target that has a means to defend itself and a history of blocking bullets.
Originally posted by h1a8
Wow this trolling has just got to stop. Do you you actually read my posts or just skim through? I just said that Caps frontal cross section will be stationary to DS. His abdomen, groin, and high quadriceps will be stationary targets while Cap is moving forward. Stop thinking feet. That's so old news.
His whole body will be moving, so do you have any feats of DS hitting a moving target that has a means to defend itself and a history of blocking bullets?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Sorry, you'll have to clarify that for me. Are you saying that special, hard abilities should be backed up by feats but normal abilities shouldn't?
Yes, like like eating and shitting is normal.
Tracing an aim EXACTLY from 50m is superhuman. In other, no human can tell whether someone is aiming for their head or groin from 50m away. The change in aim is only a few millimeters. That's like a human able to see a few millimeters change from 50m away. Not only that, but it's superhuman to trace the nozzle (calculating drift and other factors) to know where the bullet will strike.
DS shooting at a stationary target is the what he's proven to do. Actually he has a feat where he's hitting a lot of fast moving Zombies from different angles.
Originally posted by Silent Master
His whole body will be moving, so do you have any feats of DS hitting a moving target that has a means to defend itself and a history of blocking bullets?
Originally posted by h1a8
Wow this trolling has just got to stop. Do you you actually read my posts or just skim through? I just said that Caps frontal cross section will be stationary to DS. His abdomen, groin, and high quadriceps will be stationary targets while Cap is moving forward. Stop thinking feet. That's so old news.
Do you know what cross sectional velocity is?
Is it harder or easier to hit a forward moving mirror headed to you, provided it will take the mirror st least 2.8 seconds to get to you?
The mirror will be stationary to the line of sight. The mirror moving left and right instead of forward will be more difficult.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, like like eating and shitting is normal.
Tracing an aim EXACTLY from 50m is superhuman. In other, no human can tell whether someone is aiming for their head or groin from 50m away. The change in aim is only a few millimeters. That's like a human able to see a few millimeters change from 50m away. Not only that, but it's superhuman to trace the nozzle (calculating drift and other factors) to know where the bullet will strike.DS shooting at a stationary target is the what he's proven to do. Actually he has a feat where he's hitting a lot of fast moving Zombies from different angles.
Ok gotcha. In this case, shooting the legs out of someone on the run at 50m within 2 or so seconds is also a superhuman feat. Or at the very least, a very lucky shot. So if you want to go with that, then you'll have to back it up with feats.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok gotcha. In this case, shooting the legs out of someone on the run at 50m within 2 or so seconds is also a superhuman feat. Or at the very least, a very lucky shot. So if you want to go with that, then you'll have to back it up with feats.
It's not superhuman. As long as Cap is running forward then his lower abdomen, groin, and high quadriceps will be stationary.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not superhuman. As long as Cap is running forward then his lower abdomen, groin, and high quadriceps will be stationary.
Captain America is not going to remain stationary. That's a silly thing to say. The logically thing to do, in fact the thing anyone with commons sense would do, is to strafe or zigzag when someone is firing at you.
And again, Cap's shield is big enough to cover his torso and that includes his abdomen. When you take into consideration line of sight and bullet trajectory, that means his groin and hips will also be covered. So your only remaining targets are quads to toe.
That's a ridiculously hard shot to do, especially against a moving target, especially when you're under pressure to do it within 2 seconds or so.
And to say that a marksman can do that shot 100%, that's a superhuman skill. So either you give a feat of DS making such a shot as that or you retract your statement.