Originally posted by Robtard
Not heard of the denounced Duke years ago thing, but his comment when being told about Duke's initial endorsement for a Trump presidency was that he never heard of Duke; didn't know who he was."Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about David Duke. okay? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know. -Trump
Edit: Seems Trump did denounce Duke in 2000, so he was lying when he said he didn't know
Hey, he could have dementia. Trumps old enough, and it runs in his family.
Originally posted by SurturImagine being a black guy with a small or medium-sized penis. That's way worse than being an Asian with a great heckin' big wanger. 'Positive' stereotypes are often worse than negative ones. Like being a Chinese person who sucks at maths, made to live up to these ridiculous stereotypes.
Yet you never see the black community complaining about the big dick stereotype. I'd like some consistency, either stereotyping is bad or it isn't.
Originally posted by ScribbleA white guy whos not a billionaire but still called a cracker fits this as well, right?
Imagine being a black guy with a small or medium-sized penis. That's way worse than being an Asian with a great heckin' big wanger. 'Positive' stereotypes are often worse than negative ones. Like being a Chinese person who sucks at maths, made to live up to these ridiculous stereotypes.
Or a white virgin called honky?
Originally posted by Surtur
So out of curiosity, the movie "White Men Can't Jump"..that is racist, right? I mean the title.I'm not saying you specifically do this, but I just love how people complain about these stereotypes and yet when we see something like the "white people can't dance" stereotype nobody says a god damn word about it. But blacks and chicken or watermelon? Oh shit time to have a meltdown.
Yet you never see the black community complaining about the big dick stereotype. I'd like some consistency, either stereotyping is bad or it isn't.
It's true, it's not consistent, but my personal opinion is that it should be. White people should care about that, just as black people would.
Positive stereotyping can be shittier, though.
Also, I believe you missed my question. If any of those examples provided were true, would you still not consider Trump a racist?
Originally posted by Withsensibility
Kebab isnt of Turkish origin, it was a Turkish immigrant in Germany, yet German people eat kebab in appreciation of Turkish culture. Tacos were Mexican migrants in the US. Its quite fitting, imo.Mexicans in sunbreros on horses in a Western film might have something to do with the historical genocide and ressettlement associated with it. But Im not Mexican, or American, so I cant be definite. I do know the white people stole the cowboy western culture from the Mexicans, though. Kinda different.
Hes showing appreciation. Stop finding ways to get offended and put Mexico Us history into what Trump actually did.
Yeah, quite fitting when you consider Trump has criticized mexicans a lot and sort of needs to make up for it to gain supporters. Him saying 'I love Hispanics!' is blatantly trying too hard to prove something.
It honestly doesn't matter why or how the sombreros n' horses stereotype began, but that image of mexicans lives on today, and it kinda sucks, tbh.
You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense.
Originally posted by Petrus
It's true, it's not consistent, but my personal opinion is that it should be. White people should care about that, just as black people would.Positive stereotyping can be shittier, though.
Also, I believe you missed my question. If any of those examples provided were true, would you still not consider Trump a racist?
A lot of these things seem more like ignorance than racism. Now a decent portion of the provided examples are true and also not racist. I mean the thing with the gold star family wasn't racist. Just like questioning of Obama was born here isn't racism either. It's stupidity, but racist? Not really.
The things that can't be confirmed and just rely on the words of people who claim Trump said these things..if true are racist. Like not renting to a black guy just because he is black, but again all we have is some dudes word and we know the media will lie about Trump.
Just like if the thing about him ordering black card dealers off the floor upon his arrival would indeed be racist.
But as I said, the things we know are 100% true aren't racist and were in fact twisted in order to make them seem racist. I mean just look at how deceitful even including the example of the Mexican judge is. He meant he was bias because Trump has blasted Mexico in the past and he was saying the judge, as a mexican, was bias over that. To me that is no different than saying the judge of the Stanford Rapist was bias because he went to the same school as the rapist.
If Trump was this huge foaming at the mouth racist that the left likes to say he is..you'd think we'd have numerous examples of concrete evidence of racism, right? Especially when they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and going back to the 1970s to try to dig up racist stuff lol. Especially when some media outlets have hired dozens of people whose sole job is to try to dig up dirt on Trump and yet..we're given flimsy examples.
Originally posted by Petrus
You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense.
But you see man you are being deceitful about this just like the media is. Yep he did say the dumb stuff about the wall, but he never once said all illegals are rapists. He said some of them are, which is 100% a true statement.
Like I've said before, if the guy is so damn horrible then people wouldn't have to constantly twist the things he says in order to find something to call him out for.
Originally posted by PetrusTrump has always said he likes hispanics way before he ran for president, due to employing them at low wages. This is probably a personal thing for him because of how Mexico treats its people and illegally sends its hardened criminals into the US. He is critical of this and hates illegal immigration. He isnt criticising all Mexicans, especially the ones who come here legally that VOTED for him in the Nevada caucus and the California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas primaries. You making it out that "illegal immigrant " is codeword for brown people and brown people shouldnt vote for Trump or dont vote for Trump. I wonder what news sources give you this perspective, but illegal immigrant means illegal immigrant, and the Mexican government is pretty bad when it comes to funding drug cartels and sending them to the USA.
Yeah, quite fitting when you consider Trump has criticized mexicans a lot and sort of needs to make up for it to gain supporters. Him saying 'I love Hispanics!' is blatantly trying too hard to prove something.It honestly doesn't matter why or how the sombreros n' horses stereotype began, but that image of mexicans lives on today, and it kinda sucks, tbh.
You can't do it both ways. You can't say illegals are rapists and that you're going to force the mexican government to build the wall and then post a pic of yourself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics'. It doesn't make much sense.
Okay, let me break this down to you. Its not about hats and livestock, its about the historical genocide associated with the old west that triggers people. Its the fact that these people were driven out of what is now called new mexico and arizona and Texas. Its the context of the image. Its the stolen cowboy image that used to be mexico that is now the wild west with mexico being left with ponchos and sunbreros. Get it? The context being the genocide, resettlement and stolen culture. Its very different to Trump saying he likes Mexican food.
It makes perfect sense. Besides, Trumps business associates in Mexico are paying for it with Mexican banks, not the Mexican government. Trump wants to stop illegal immigrants such as rapists and drug traffickers to stop coming into the US until Mexico does something about these people or something useful. Creating jobs like building a wall, for example.
The funniest part is I know this is a stupid pander. I know idiots like you see this as Trump acting foolish thinking eating Tacos makes up for "build a wall and Mexico is paying for it" the point is is supposed to trigger you idiots into still not figuring out why he has support including the latino community. Its because hes created a solution in creating jobs and lowering crime. Its a genius move and you still think hes racist. So he does this. Are you going to say eating tacos is racist too? Yes you are and you have. This is why i asled if eating cheese and garlic is racist towards French people. This is why I mentioned Germans eating kebab. You honestly think that because something is associated with a skin colour you think its racist. You are the real racist here. Not Trump. MAGA.
Originally posted by Surtur
A lot of these things seem more like ignorance than racism. Now a decent portion of the provided examples are true and also not racist. I mean the thing with the gold star family wasn't racist. Just like questioning of Obama was born here isn't racism either. It's stupidity, but racist? Not really.The things that can't be confirmed and just rely on the words of people who claim Trump said these things..if true are racist. Like not renting to a black guy just because he is black, but again all we have is some dudes word and we know the media will lie about Trump.
Just like if the thing about him ordering black card dealers off the floor upon his arrival would indeed be racist.
But as I said, the things we know are 100% true aren't racist and were in fact twisted in order to make them seem racist. I mean just look at how deceitful even including the example of the Mexican judge is. He meant he was bias because Trump has blasted Mexico in the past and he was saying the judge, as a mexican, was bias over that. To me that is no different than saying the judge of the Stanford Rapist was bias because he went to the same school as the rapist.
Fair enough.
If Trump was this huge foaming at the mouth racist that the left likes to say he is..you'd think we'd have numerous examples of concrete evidence of racism, right? Especially when they are scraping the bottom of the barrel and going back to the 1970s to try to dig up racist stuff lol. Especially when some media outlets have hired dozens of people whose sole job is to try to dig up dirt on Trump and yet..we're given flimsy examples.But you see man you are being deceitful about this just like the media is. Yep he did say the dumb stuff about the wall, but he never once id all illegals are rapists. He said some of them are, which is 100% a true statement.
Like I've said before, if the guy is so damn horrible then people wouldn't have to constantly twist the things he says in order to find something to call him out for.
There's also the facts that he's retweeted white supremacists and feigned ignorance of their existence and saying he knows 'nothing about David Duke'.
Also, after O'Donnell's claim about Trump saying laziness is a trait in black people, he told Playboy Magazine in 1997 that whatever O'Donnell wrote about him is probably true. Then, he denied it in 1999.
I'm not being deceitful. It's just how it is. First, Trump says some illegals are rapists, he criticizes mexican government and says he'll force them to build a wall. After that, he tweets happy 5 de mayo and a pic of himself eating a 'taco bowl' and saying 'I love Hispanics!'. It's just not consistent at all.
And I'm aware that some of Trump's comments are discriminatory and not racist, but seriously potato-potatoe [or however it's spelled]. I mean, just because Muslims aren't a race it's technically not racism. He's literally hanging on a technicality.
Anyway, if he's not outright stated anything undoubtedly racist, he's been dangerously close to do so, and him discriminating and being a bigot still sucks.
Originally posted by Withsensibility
Trump has always said he likes hispanics way before he ran for president, due to employing them at low wages. This is probably a personal thing for him because of how Mexico treats its people and illegally sends its hardened criminals into the US. He is critical of this and hates illegal immigration. He isnt criticising all Mexicans, especially the ones who come here legally that VOTED for him in the Nevada caucus and the California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas primaries. You making it out that "illegal immigrant " is codeword for brown people and brown people shouldnt vote for Trump or dont vote for Trump. I wonder what news sources give you this perspective, but illegal immigrant means illegal immigrant, and the Mexican government is pretty bad when it comes to funding drug cartels and sending them to the USA.
Ok, so you're basically saying he likes hispanics because he employed them at low wages because they're hispanics? How's that a good thing?
A personal thing for him? Are you saying he cares and feels bad about how Mexico 'treats its people'? If he actually cared about them as human beings, he wouldn't propose deporting the millions of them back to my shitty country. And Mexico doesn't send shit, the illegals choose to leave the country on their own because their living conditions over here are shit. Mexico certainly doesn't send 'its hardened criminals' into the US.
Just explain to me how and when did I make it sound that illegal immigrant is a codeword for 'brown people shouldn't vote for Trump'.
You really have a very flawed and incorrect view of what goes on with drug cartels in Mexico. The Mexican government doesn't fund drug cartels and sends them to the US. The drug cartels have the Mexican government by the throat; they're much more powerful. And believe me, the cartels go to the US on their own, they're not sent by anyone.
Okay, let me break this down to you. Its not about hats and livestock, its about the historical genocide associated with the old west that triggers people. Its the fact that these people were driven out of what is now called new mexico and arizona and Texas. Its the context of the image. Its the stolen cowboy image that used to be mexico that is now the wild west with mexico being left with ponchos and sunbreros. Get it? The context being the genocide, resettlement and stolen culture. Its very different to Trump saying he likes Mexican food.
Yeah, you're taking this way out of context. This wasn't my point at all. I was talking about stereotypes. The Mexican riding a burrito and wearing a sombrero is one of them. That's it.
It makes perfect sense. Besides, Trumps business associates in Mexico are paying for it with Mexican banks, not the Mexican government. Trump wants to stop illegal immigrants such as rapists and drug traffickers to stop coming into the US until Mexico does something about these people or something useful. Creating jobs like building a wall, for example.
It doesn't matter who's paying for it, it matter that Trump effectively created a political shitstorm when he said he would make the Mexican government pay for the wall, publicly. And what proof do you have that he's making Mexican banks pay for it?
Illegal immigration and drug traffickers are completely separate groups of people.
And Mexico won't do shit about them.
The funniest part is I know this is a stupid pander. I know idiots like you see this as Trump acting foolish thinking eating Tacos makes up for "build a wall and Mexico is paying for it" the point is is supposed to trigger you idiots into still not figuring out why he has support including the latino community. Its because hes created a solution in creating jobs and lowering crime. Its a genius move and you still think hes racist. So he does this. Are you going to say eating tacos is racist too? Yes you are and you have. This is why i asled if eating cheese and garlic is racist towards French people. This is why I mentioned Germans eating kebab. You honestly think that because something is associated with a skin colour you think its racist. You are the real racist here. Not Trump. MAGA.
Okay first off, if you check the statistics Trump has a very low rating of support within latinos and blacks. So he doesn't at all have the 'support of the latino community', as you claim. And no, he hasn't done shit yet.
Lmao, me a racist. You don't even know me dude. 👆
And if you think Trump is fantastic and is such a great presidential candidate, the idiot isn't me.
Originally posted by RobtardNot being pc and not apologizing are two different concepts. He has appeal due to the former but is losing the election due to the latter.
While that's good of him, isn't the "he never apologizes" attitude one of the major reasons the Trumpanzees love him?Wonder how that will go over with the hardcore base.
Originally posted by PetrusNo, im saying he likes hispanics because they worked for him. He likes all who worked for him. The low wage is probably not why he likes them, again, youre the one putting racism in here, not Trump. This is also a tactic huffington post and similar tabloids do.
Ok, so you're basically saying he likes hispanics because he employed them at low wages because they're hispanics? How's that a good thing?
A personal thing for him? Are you saying he cares and feels bad about how Mexico 'treats its people'? If he actually cared about them as human beings, he wouldn't propose deporting the millions of them back to my shitty country. And Mexico doesn't send shit, the illegals choose to leave the country on their own because their living conditions over here are shit. Mexico certainly doesn't send 'its hardened criminals' into the US.Personal as in he doesnt want dangerous criminals or incompetent people who cant file the immigration form working for him. Illegal immigrants do end up getting shitty min wage jobs, a businessman like Trump probably wont like that. Mexico does send its hardened criminals to the US. Mexico feels its better they jump the border than pay for them in prison. Criminals from Mexico should go back to Mexico and serve time in Mexico. Legal immigrants are okay.
Just explain to me how and when did I make it sound that illegal immigrant is a codeword for 'brown people shouldn't vote for Trump'.because you keep shouting racism and refer to Trump's speeches about illegal immigrants as racist or painting all Mexicans as such. Its not what Trump is doing.
You really have a very flawed and incorrect view of what goes on with drug cartels in Mexico. The Mexican government doesn't fund drug cartels and sends them to the US. The drug cartels have the Mexican government by the throat; they're much more powerful. And believe me, the cartels go to the US on their own, they're not sent by anyone.so if the drug cartels have the government by the throat, are they thus funded by the government, no? Does the Mexican government's inability to prevent this the fault of the Mexican government and invariably sending the cartels and dangerous criminals to the US, no?
Yeah, you're taking this way out of context. This wasn't my point at all. I was talking about stereotypes. The Mexican riding a burrito and wearing a sombrero is one of them. That's it.Yeah, you think stereotypes are bad. I got that. I think context of stereotyping is important to understand the meaning behind the person using them.
it does matter whos paying for it.... Mexico! He said he works with businessman and bankers in Mexico and politicians dont understand how business works. Trumps record of transforming city owned buildings in miniscule time compared to the city is justifcation for this as well.
It doesn't matter who's paying for it, it matter that Trump effectively created a political shitstorm when he said he would make the Mexican government pay for the wall, publicly. And what proof do you have that he's making Mexican banks pay for it?
And Mexico won't do shit about them.
Illegal immigration and drug traffickers are completely separate groups of people.Not really. Drug traffickers and drug dealers illegally cross the border and illegally cross into the US. There are also victims of the drug cartels who flee them into the US. That is also an issue. They are interelated.
And Mexico will do shit about them once Trump is president.
He won the latino vote in the NV caucus. He has latinos supporting him. He has a latino base of supporters. Hes not the most popular, granted, he does have latino support. He has latino support within their community, better?Okay first off, if you check the statistics Trump has a very low rating of support within latinos and blacks. So he doesn't at all have the 'support of the latino community', as you claim. And no, he hasn't done shit yet.
Lmao, me a racist. You don't even know me dude. 👆
And if you think Trump is fantastic and is such a great presidential candidate, the idiot isn't me. [/B]
Hasnt done shit, yet! He will, though.
Youre the one crying racism, youre the one making it a race issue. Thats why im saying youre racist. I just see it as Trump appealing to a culture hes caused controversy with.
So I think soon we'll get a chance to see more bias against Trump, or potential bias. You guys might know he made a stop in Louisiana and they have had that horrible flooding going on. Well of course the governor of the state has to open his mouth and waggle his tongue and whine about it and say he didn't want people stopping by for photo ops. But he was nice enough to say it would be okay for Trump instead to make a donation.
Or wait sorry, he said it was okay to make a LARGE donation. So boatloads of cash=good, showing up to talk to the people for a bit=bad. On the radio just a little while ago I heard Obama is going to pull himself away from the golf course and make an appearance in Louisiana too. So this will be an experiment: will the governor open his mouth and tell Obama not to come and to just make a large donation instead?
What do you guys think? Yay or nay? For all I know the governor has already made a statement like that so perhaps I'll go check google for the statement I am sure is going to come.
Originally posted by Withsensibility
Obama is the president, its kinda different than a candidate. Trump also has a lot of money and a lot of publicity. I think their concerns were legit and Trump did good.
Yes he's a president who sure as hell could use a few more "wins" before he leaves office, so if people are going to whine over Trumps presence then why not Obama's too? They especially shouldn't have the audacity to complain and in the same breath put their damn hands out asking for money lol.
Trump gets tons of publicity, the guy could stub his damn toe and people would find a reason to b*tch about it. They whine over his current image, they whine over what they see as attempts to change that image.