Originally posted by SunRazerMaul just has better feats? Especially when powerscaled off Savage and Kenobi. 😬
Well, I've still yet to hear a case. I'm all ears.Oh, and it better not be a potential-based argument. There's a quote which suggests that Dooku would've equaled Yoda had he stayed in the Order.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Magnitude's to do with mastery as well.
Not really. Traya's demonstrated more mastery with her TK than Vader, yet I doubt she's the better telekinetic.
Originally posted by SunRazer
And shattering mountains pre-prime doesn't convince you that she's ahead of them in magnitude?
Damaging an exterior portion of a hill while amplified = shattering mountains, apparently.
Needless to say, getting amped by a lightsaber, then charging power to break a large chunk of rock hardly impresses me as much as most of Obi's or Savage's hype or feats.
Originally posted by MythLord
Not really. Traya's demonstrated more mastery with her TK than Vader, yet I doubt she's the better telekinetic.
I was referring to a broad mastery of the Force, not individual powers, but even then, Vader's greater command of telekinesis could well be described as greater mastery.
Damaging an exterior portion of a hill while amplified = shattering mountains, apparently.Needless to say, getting amped by a lightsaber, then charging power to break a large chunk of rock hardly impresses me as much as most of Obi's or Savage's hype or feats.
'Twas following Jace Malcolm describing it as Satele "dropping a mountain" on Malgus in Annihilation. 🙂
It's a bit hard to see precisely how much was destroyed, but if you pause as the blast zooms towards Malgus, you'll notice that the cliff face is pretty big.
Regarding being amped, sure, but she grew vastly following Hope. Given her potential as a descendant of Revan, and the fact that I recall it being stated that she retreated to study after the war, it's pretty easy to imagine that she was growing in power over that time. She retreats to study with Darth Marr in the KotFE period, too, which results in growth and study over 35 years. I'd certainly put that well over the amp received from the lightsaber. As for charging up power, she was also pinning Malgus with the Force. I'd say they counteract one another.
We're also forgetting that the fact that Satele can even Absorb a lightsaber blade's energy by Hope alone is incredibly impressive. Around the same time, she calls down a tree in short order whilst engaged in a saber lock against Malgus, which is also pretty good.
Then there's her freezing objects in the midst of a fight with mere looks, which I don't think Obi-Wan or Savage or even Maul have ever managed. Her apparent teleporting is also going to be an asset here. I'm reconsidering whether or not Satele can win, now, but she's not getting curbed ala Obi-Wan.