Originally posted by PetrusAll of what Beni said, plus collapsing a huge tunnel, ripping a shuttle from a cliff while dealing with an amputated leg, being shot at, and carrying Savage, surviving being cut in half in a near-enough unprecedented display of Force Rage mastery, etc.
I'm not yet saying Satele wins, but what has Maul done with the Force [other than 'ragdolling' Kenobi] that impresses people so much?
He also tanked an explosion that vaporized Anoon Bondara, and after dealing with the aftershock of said explosion, slowed his descent by manipulating gravity and weaved between 100 feet of building-ledges and other obstacles. Also, if you read some of the pre-TPM material he's in, his Force Sense and other mental abilities are pretty impressive.
Then there's the fact Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Dooku and potentially others all sensed something profoundly "sinister" rippling through the Force, simply because Savage was on his way to meet Maul in Season 4 of TCW.
That, and ragdolling Obi-Wan, one of the most impressive Jedi there is to debate. Twice, without unfair circumstances.
I need to get a zip folder with all of maul's force shit from comics, but here's the text stuff:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11QQsVSAmA3heIduRj5GuuuQVGGZCzkOEB3XK_zDCwEU/edit?usp=sharing
Originally posted by MythLordCall it what you like, but if he didn't consider it accurate he wouldn't have given it along with a bunch of other stuff to Johnson to work off.
Still ain't canon unless it happens in the novel... and it won't since Dave likes suckling Palpatine's shaft.
Regardless, this is off topic, save it for when Ahsoka is pushing the shit in of one of your faves. 🙂
Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if we're going off dialogue files, some or most of that might just be animation bugging. Also, doesn't Vader perform numerous TK feats without gesturing?
Nah, Vader legit needs his hands outstretched just to choke fodder. Traya doesn't appear to, tbh.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Any size estimates? She'd perform the feat again without the need for external amplification. That's beyond Obi-Wan, too.
Should be sizeable, but nothing too impressive. Especially when you consider her amplification in question; Corran Horn, a relatively "meh" telekinetic, having less exposure to a lightsaber and drawing on it with tutaminis, was capable of holding back a massive landslide ala Mace Windu.
He goes from a telekinetically hindered individual to top tier Jedi Master with less exposure to a lightsaber, and still has a more impressive feat than Shan.
I'd say that, while Shan could probably do it again, it won't be without at least some effort on her part. And yes, that's all within Kenobi's range of capabilities.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, he wasn't able to leap out of the way or anything, and he's screaming whilst still being in place. Seems like Satele held him there to me.
He probably didn't leap away because he just took a grenade and Force Wave to the face. By the time she unleashed her second wave, she seems to have let go of Malgus completely.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Sorry, but numerous Jedi deflect lightsaber blades whilst exhausted or weakened. Absorbing a lightsaber blade is an entirely different prospect and a far superior display of Force mastery. You're not just letting the blade bounce off your hands, you're actually channeling the sheer power of the blade into yourself. It's an incredible showing, and the fact that Satele had 35 years to grow afterwards puts her very high up.
Given how Corran Horn was absorbing lightsaber energies pretty damn early in his Jedi career, I don't think it's a "much wow" feat as many try to show it as. Channeling said power would've amplified her more than strained her, the only problem would be
And while it's a great showing of her versatility or mastery, I doubt it automatically translates to Maul esque TK.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Also, it does apply to TK. Satele's mastery of the Force clearly applies to TK as much as it does to Tutaminis. She can convert that energy.
Yarael Poof is a planet-buster by this logic 😕
Besides, it's not like she'll be absorbing any lightsabers here to go all "side of a hill" buster on Maul.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Nah. Satele was currently strained in a saberlock with Malgus. That justfies her greater effort, and she didn't just crush the tree base, she also yanked the tree her way.
This does remind me - was Obi-Wan doing the same or something similar in his vaunted showing with the trees? Kind of reduces how impressive it is.
Actually, I rewatched the fight and while she was bladelocking with Malgus -- which excuses the drain -- she also just crushed the base enough then moved out of the way, then the tree fell.
And Kenobi didn't crush the base, he completely knocked the ships over.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Obviously they can freeze things. With mere looks? That's a bit different.
I recall a teenage Maul levitating a boulder and holding it in place without even needing to look at it.
Originally posted by SunRazer
She's also equal with Marr, who's probably above Baras, and certainly above Fulminiss, who could disintegrate cities, albeit under suspect and likely ritual-oriented means.
*According to legend, he can disintegrate cities... but then again so could a padawan-turned-Dark Jedi. Unless you wanna claim any competent Force user is city level(which I'd love, personally 💃 ) I don't think that logic would work.
Originally posted by MythLord
Corran Horn, a relatively "meh" telekinetic, having less exposure to a lightsaber and drawing on it with tutaminis, was capable of holding back a massive landslide ala Mace Windu.He goes from a telekinetically hindered individual to top tier Jedi Master with less exposure to a lightsaber, and still has a more impressive feat than Shan.
Given how Corran Horn was absorbing lightsaber energies pretty damn early in his Jedi career, I don't think it's a "much wow" feat as many try to show it as.
Corran Horn has a unique gift for tutaminis. That's hardly a fair comparison. 😬
Originally posted by MythLord
*According to legend, he can disintegrate cities... but then again so could a padawan-turned-Dark Jedi.
Who are you talking about?
Wollf, I'll respond to you later.
Originally posted by ILS
Then there's the fact Anakin, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Dooku and potentially others all sensed something profoundly "sinister" rippling through the Force, simply because Savage was on his way to meet Maul in Season 4 of TCW.
Do you take these things as inherent displays of power, or the Force simply reacting in response to certain events and Jedi being able to pick up these reactions?
Because the Exile's natural power progression was making Nihilus sense her from across the galaxy, lol. And Ragnos' spirit coming back sent shockwaves throughout the Force that manifested in the form of nightmares to Odan-Urr. IIRC, Malak coming towards the Leviathan was doing something similar.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Corran Horn has a unique gift for tutaminis. That's hardly a fair comparison. 😬Who are you talking about?
Yeah, but that just means he can absorb from a greater array of energy sources, they still both drew on the power of a lightsaber, i.e. the same energy source. So it shouldn't matter because they'd be amplified similarly.
I'm talking about Kibh Jeen.