Beyonder Doom vs. God Doom

Originally posted by -K-M-
Are we talking about Marvel Age/Adventures? Those are not canon to 616. Darwyn Cooke Said it was a seperate continuity years ago. However, that was then

👆 still, i don't think i've ever seen that changed. far as i've ever seen all ages stories are not in continuity unless explicitly stated otherwise. i read a bit of this series which was stated to be in continuity (i didn't like it) but even after being stated as canon, there is still doubt:

http://www.cbr.com/sdcc-marvel-announces-all-ages-in-continuity-spidey/

opening the door to allow for one all ages book to be canon would seem to be opening the door to ALL all ages books, and clearly most are well outside of that. without some form of explicitly stated exception, can't see that sw story arc being considered canon--certainly not by forum standards, but i don't think by marvel standards either. /shrug

maybe galan or opr know more.

Some of that Marvel Adventures/all ages stuff was definitely not in continuity as there were clear differences to the mainstream titles. Other things like the events of Pet Avengers seemed to kind of fit into the gaps and were actually mentioned in the official handbooks alongside regular material, so it was a mixed bag. Being Marvel I doubt the editors were even keeping track of it all.

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fair enough i guess. but it would seem to me that the default assumption should be non-canon, unless otherwise explicitly stated. referenced in canon books or official handbooks could work i guess, just that as you know, handbooks can be...problematic at times. where 2 things happen though, and one is shown in 616 and the other in all ages, they can't BOTH be right obviously, and the 616 material clearly takes precedence.

allowing all ages to act as canon material (sometimes) really seems to open a can of worms imo....

Yeah, fully agree. I always assume they are out of continuity (most were obviously so), with a few exceptions that didn't contradict and were referenced in canon material - which was extremely rare.

As for the fight, it comes down to what others have said about the whole pre/post-retcon business. Beyonder Doom's mastery of time could tip it in his favor.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Non-Stop bull shit in the house.

So no evidence of any kind relating to the Spiderman/SW mini.

No proof of any kind from Marvel comics.

Beyond that:

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So take your wannabe 'reference' and shove it. Phuk I care what some ghost text on the net states.

Stop crying. That's the writer of that series calling All Ages line out of continuity.

... not Marvel comics, or official Marvel sources? .. phuck off.

😆 .. yah, some ambiguous unofficial text by who knows who.

So, still shitting in your pants and diving in, every chance you get.

Anywho, the Spiderman and Secret Wars mini is 100% canon to the original Secret Wars

which took place and is canon to 616.

When you have that official Marvel source saying otherwise, return.

Is that so? Provide me a source which shows this comic is canon to 616 universe.

but, I know you'll come back with more gobbledygook.

That's who/what you are and we all know it.

Yeah, you've lost it. Go home.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Are we talking about Marvel Age/Adventures? Those are not canon to 616. Darwyn Cooke Said it was a seperate continuity years ago. However, that was then

Aside from what has been mentioned, here is the opening page of issue #3:

Those scenes were pulled directly from SW #5:

And here is the opening page of issue #4:

A scene pulled directly from SW #10:

Doesn't seem like the writers would have used specific scenes from SW itself, if the mini wasn't intended to canonically tie-into it. I understand where abhi is coming from, though.

Yeah, it was homaging the original comic. But it's definitely out of continuity.

It's canon.

Good fight, Doom wins.

Originally posted by Mindset
It's canon.

Good fight, Doom wins.

vin

Originally posted by Galan007
They're discussing a 4-issue mini released in 2010 called: Spider-Man and the Secret Wars. It was written as sort of a tie-in to the original Secret Wars. Anyway, the implication to me is that it was intended to be canon.

Aside from what has been mentioned, here is the opening page of issue #3:

Those scenes were pulled directly from SW #5:

And here is the opening page of issue #4:

A scene pulled directly from SW #10:

Doesn't seem like the writers would have used specific scenes from SW itself, if the mini wasn't intended to canonically tie-into it. I understand where abhi is coming from, though.

i get there are definite overlaps, but minor differences are still....differences. i mean how many times has the watcher in what ifs talked about how some universes are extremely like our own, with only the most minor of changes, while others are vastly different? also, i was under the impression these all ages stories took place like...years before the 616 stories? 😕

not sure if all the 'all ages' stuff is meant to take place in the same universe though. i thought it was.

anyway, i guess it's ambiguous at the very least. still can't imagine any feats pulled from the series being considered canon in the forum. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
Glad you think so...

vin

😂

anyway, that should pretty much obliterate any claims that the series was canon. 👆

Originally posted by leonidas
i get there are definite overlaps, but minor differences are still....differences. i mean how many times has the watcher in what ifs talked about how some universes are extremely like our own, with only the most minor of changes, while others are vastly different? also, i was under the impression these all ages stories took place like...years before the 616 stories? 😕

not sure if all the 'all ages' stuff is meant to take place in the same universe though. i thought it was.

anyway, i guess it's ambiguous at the very least. still can't imagine any feats pulled from the series being considered canon in the forum. /shrug

However, I also understand why some believe it is not.

fair enough. i've checked it out and looked around and can't find a definitive answer anywhere, so yeah. i guess it's open to interpretation as relates to that specific series. 👆

Yeah I don't believe that's canon. Other books in that line paid homages to existing stories and I have yet to see anything where it states it's canon

Even the current all ages series is based on the cartoon universe
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23160/share_your_universe_with_all-ages_comics

I don't think anyone in their right mind(set) actually believes that Doom is smarter than Reed.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Are we talking about Marvel Age/Adventures?

Those are not canon to 616.

Darwyn Cooke Said it was a seperate continuity years ago. However, that was then

The "Spiderman & Secret Wars" mini has nothing to do with Marvel Age, or Marvel Adventures. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

They're discussing a 4-issue mini released in 2010 called: Spider-Man and the Secret Wars. It was written as sort of a tie-in to the original Secret Wars. Anyway, the implication to me is that it was intended to be canon.

Aside from what has been mentioned, here is the opening page of issue #3:

Doesn't seem like the writers would have used specific scenes from SW itself, if the mini wasn't intended to canonically tie-into it. I understand where abhi is coming from, though.

... and then there's the verbatim recall of Spideman finding the Black Suit in the Spidey/SW mini,
it was illustrated/dialogued identically as in the original series. I posted it on page 1.

That, as we both know, manifested the limited run titled: "Web of Spiderman."

That incident happened only in the original SW.

So just with that detail brother G, the truth with proof is sound.

Originally posted by leonidas

i mean how many times has the watcher in what ifs

talked about how some universes are extremely like our own

(silence) .. and, exactly old friend.

Marvel readers are always given an indication they are dealing with an alternate universe.

It's the age of twitter can someone just ask Paul Tobin?

https://twitter.com/PaulTobin

Sorry guys, but I have yet to see any evidence to suggest it is canon. The All-Ages books played homages to other 616 stories and books, but hey I'm open if it is canon.

Originally posted by -K-M-

It's the age of twitter can someone just ask Paul Tobin?

Originally posted by -K-M-

Sorry guys, but I have yet to see any evidence to suggest it is canon.

Originally posted by -K-M-

The All-Ages books played homages to other 616 stories and books, but hey I'm open if it is canon.

I'd like to see identical illustrations and dialogue referencing the original 616 template, like in the Spidey mini.