Meetra Surik and Darth Traya vs Darth Revan

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Originally posted by NewGuy01
She could Foce deafen him, then still lose.* 😂

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Again, this is a guy that Avellone claims is up there with ancient Sith, who create galaxies, and that Darth Revan is more powerful than Nihilus given his other statements. Meetra can temporarily block the connection of a planet killing Sith Lord. Clearly she can wreck Vader in the Force too.

There are so many things wrong with that, I'd need to write a CV blog to explain them all.

They're just trolling.

If so, they really are desperate.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Again, this is a guy that Avellone claims is up there with ancient Sith, who create galaxies, and that Darth Revan is more powerful than Nihilus given his other statements. Meetra can temporarily block the connection of a planet killing Sith Lord. Clearly she can wreck Vader in the Force too.

Nope, because he also stated that Vader was > the ancient Sith. 🙂

Originally posted by AncientPower
Meetra can temporarily block the connection of a planet killing Sith Lord.

WTF is this from?

Are you talking about when Nihilus tried to drain her?

No, I'm talking about how Avellone compares Darth Revan to Sith who can 'shape galaxies and worlds'.

After further looking at the feat, I don't think he was referring to the Force with that.

He refers to empires of Sith who can shape galaxies and worlds, he says Nihilus isn't as powerful as them in another quote and that Darth Revan is better or equal to any of them.

The Exile being even capable of having such a profound, if temporary, effect on any thing of that tier makes her planetary tier.

Why am I the only one seeing how massively contradictory to the rest of lore that is?

That isn't even the only problem with what Avellone said.

I mean I don't think "shape galaxies and worlds" was in reference to Force power.

It's in reference to what he imagined the true Sith Empire being capable of, Revan is, in his own words, comparable to them. They were meant to be capable of causing wounds in the Force on massive scales and all that nihilistic stuff, with Darth Revan having a doctorate in the ability.

I'm saying he didn't imagine them being capable of shaping galaxies with their *Force powers*.

I know what you're saying, but he hardly suggests it's a feat of industry, they can manufacture wounds in the Force as great or greater than Malachor V. Given Kreia would've killed everything with the echo she designed to create, I doubt we need to imagine what her vast superiors were capable of.

What does any of this have to do with Traya's capabilities? It's not like Traya was going to get more powerful after KotOR II, and it's not like Revan didn't exist before it.

On a side note, I find it strange that Avellone thinks Revan would still win after being deafened. I mean, the stupidity of a non-Force sensitive Revan beating Surik in combat aside, KotOR II was about the Exile being the only character who could live completely without the Force, something that not even Revan managed (the whole point of Traya considering the Exile to be her greatest disciple).

Seems like quoting authors on sources they wrote years ago isn't very reliable.

The point of the quote was that Sever Force wouldn't work on Revan, not that he could beat her without the Force. The quote can technically be interpreted as the latter, but I feel it's more used ironically and for humor purposes.

He says something to the effect of "even then, that wouldn't keep Revan down forever" or something. The implication there is that Revan gets deafened but somehow recovers and goes on to win the duel. The fact that Surik can't beat Revan during that brief period of non-Force sensitivity is pretty laughable.

Also, his quote about Revan trumping Surik and Traya at once seems a bit iffy as well. He doesn't so much cite Revan's prowess in combat as Traya and Surik's character-based deficiencies (Kreia's "stuck in the past" and Surik "has her own troubles", both of which sound like character weaknesses as opposed to power disparities between them and Revan). It's almost as if he's saying that they don't want to fight him as opposed to anything else.

Seems to me like you're desperate and reaching for air, tbh.

Going to bed though. 3:00 am.

Desperate? You email every author and stunt coordinator you can, lmfao.

I don't need to be desperate, because Avellone's opinion can be taken with a grain of salt, just as Karpyshyn's can. You know what's desperate? Dismissing one author's quote in favor of another solely because it supports your point, lmfao.

He also refers to Revan strategising the victory.