No, the feats said it. There's no way TCW Maul is animating thousands of droids at once or influencing the Force alignments of entire planets and planetary populations, because that's what it is - the medium of the source prohibits such an exaggerated depiction of power. Only in TFU and a select few other sources would such a thing happen.
We know these characters aren't meant to be so powerful. We still rank Vitiate, Nihilus, Sidious etc. highly even though their feats are written in that exaggerated manner, because they're depicted to be those cream-of-the-crop Sith. Maris Brood and Kazdan Paratus would be shat on by Obi-Wan, but they have better Force feats simply because the medium allows it.
Not with the Starkiller scaling and him being pre-prime while sharing parity, LMAO.
All in all, the run around you're doing now isn't warranted. Starkiller obliteration of armoured Stormtroopers isn't out of place for a character that is up there with the top-tier Force sensitives of the mythos, per the author of the series. It happen, accept it, deal with it, and move on.
Geth gets her shit rocked and that's all there is too it. 🙂
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That same argument applies to nitpicking a feat of Gethzerion's.
The difference being that TCoPL depicted Gethzerion as someone who Sidious actually feared - certainly to a greater extent than Vader. Hence, she's like Vitiate, Nihilus, Sidious etc. She's meant to be that powerful. TCoPL is pretty standard with other works of the time in terms of Force power depiction.
Look at the quote putting Vader second - do you really think the authors were thinking of political clout, or whether the narrator was reliable?
I never said anything regarding the quote's reference to political or dark side based power. I said it doesn't refer to Gethzerion, whose powers are circumstantially provided by locations such as Dathomir.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Not with the Starkiller scaling and him being pre-prime while sharing parity, LMAO.
Rivi-Anu was doing better than Starkiller in terms of manipulating capital ships. Maybe Vader's stronger than her, but not Starkiller 🙂
All in all, the run around you're doing now isn't warranted. Starkiller obliteration of armoured Stormtroopers isn't out of place for a character that is up there with the top-tier Force sensitives of the mythos, per the author of the series.
Yeah, and if Obi-Wan Kenobi was in this source, he'd do it too. Galen has other feats you'd be better off drawing upon, tbh. Vader also has better scaling for you to use.
It happen, accept it, deal with it, and move on.
That's what the Church said about God creating the universe and mankind.
Geth gets her shit rocked and that's all there is too it. 🙂
Lmao. Even if Vader's stronger, he's rocking Luke's shit, not hers. She rocked Luke's shit too. There's nothing suggesting that Vader would rock the shit of anybody of Gethzerion's class.
Nova's horrid arguments, goal posting moving, and cherry picking of sources is going to make me commit suicide, tbh.
Lets review some thing here:
-Geth showing of wrecking Luke isn't more impressive than a vastly pre-prime Vader shitting on Jax.
-Geth showing of killing 100 fodder troopers is less impressive than Starkiller killing dozens of powerful Galen Marek clones with a single telekentic repulse, and a pre-prime Vader shares parity with him.
-Geth is shit in close range, while Vader is one of the most skilled Force sensitives with a blade to ever live. He could destroy her in QCQ if he closes the gap
- Geth's a old hag, while Vader is a handsome black male.
/thread.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Nova's horrid arguments, goal posting moving, and cherry picking of sources is going to make me commit suicide, tbh.
You'd be doing us a favor, so go ahead 👆
-Geth showing of wrecking Luke isn't more impressive than a vastly pre-prime Vader shitting on Jax.
Unless Vader burst Jax's blood vessels and what not, yeah, it is.
-Geth showing of killing 100 fodder troopers is less impressive than Starkiller killing dozens of powerful Galen Marek clones with a single telekentic repulse, and a pre-prime Vader shares parity with him.
These are the biologically degenerate clones? lmfao
Also, a finger-rake = much less effort than a Force repulse.
-Geth is shit in close range, while Vader is one of the most skilled Force sensitives with a blade to ever live. He could destroy her in QCQ if he closes the gap
I'm discussing Force-only for obvious reasons.
- Geth's a old hag, while Vader is a handsome black male.
Gethzerion's the Nightsister mother, and Vader's dick was burned off on Mustafar.
Why is Geth's feat against Luke being mentioned here? Geth not only caught him off-guard, but it was on an extremely potent Nexus.
Also, Maris didn't shift the alignment of a planet; Shaak's death did, Maris simply proceeded to turn the Light-Side Shamans resisting said dark change to the Dark Side.
It's either that, or Maris is superior to Maul; take your pick.
I also think it's funny how Nova says TFU shouldn't be taken that seriously because of it being exaggerated, and admits KoTOR is in a similar camp, yet spams away at Traya or Meetra's feats. 👆
Originally posted by ZenwolfYeah at the end of the day it's all Legends, I think there is merit in treating it all with the same standard, rather than arbitrarily declare what is accurate and what is not.
Hm....yeah why is TFU dismissed when there are other portrayals of supposed 'ridiculous' Force showings and what not? Seems kinda hypocritical to dismiss one source, yet use similar sources.
Lol at Paratus and Brood having better feats than Maul tho, what cancer. 🙂
Let's be fair here: I'm perfectly fine with looking into the creation of the source in question, i.e. what the author/developer believed of the character, how beings within the source are portrayed from their perspective, and what kind of style it's going to take(either subdued, or over the top), and I feel this should impact the feats of Force users.
But to dismiss one source as "exaggerated" arbitrarily because your gut feeling tells you a dude from that source shouldn't be more powerful than Maul; or acknowledging that other sources are similarly exaggerated, but still spamming their feats all over the place to prove they're Vader tier, just doesn't make sense.
Also, just dismissing feats in-general because a media is subdued or over the top is stupid; instead, we should focus on finding more common ground between the media, and then comparing feats.
That's not really my only point. There's also dissmissing a possible vast growth for Ti cuz exile, yet acknowledging Maul's powergrowth from living underground or being an insane hermit who lost his mind; despite Shaak being in a far more mentally and spiritually capable state and in a world lush with the Force. 👆
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lmao, you too?His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself.
What's the source?
My gut says this refers to Force power, because Vader doesn't have a formal position within the Empire or any true legal or military authority like a moff or admiral.
If not Force power, I'm not sure why mastery of the dark side would factor in. Old geezer Muggles like Tarkin are infinitely more powerful than fully trained dark adepts like Inquisitors, who shut up and do what the Tarkins of the Empire tell them to do.
Here: http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKxizor-vader.asp
There is also another from the Inside (issue #65)
In his distinctive black armor, Vader is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor himself.
Vader doesn't have a formal position within the Empire, but in many ways that's what's makes him so powerful. Technically nobody outranks him, and only the Emperor can truly hold him accountable, whereas he can assert the authority of the Emperor and the power of the dark side to any degree he pleases.
And while I agree that Force strength alone doesn't give him ultimate authority in the Empire, it was because of Vader's power in the Force that he was the Emperor's chief enforcer (and the Inquisitors attained their rank for the same reason) and it's through his dark side powers that he's able to crush his enemies and intimidate his rivals, or rather threats to his supremacy.
Originally posted by MythLordYou too? People seem to forget that the mere threat of Maul's return created a disturbance in the Force felt by beings across the galaxy. And that his presence on Naboo left a dark side stain felt by Princess Leia three frikken decades later. Of course his presence on a world "balanced on a knife edge between light and dark" would cause a shift.
Also, Maris didn't shift the alignment of a planet; Shaak's death did, Maris simply proceeded to turn the Light-Side Shamans resisting said dark change to the Dark Side.It's either that, or Maris is superior to Maul; take your pick.
Or are you suggesting Shaak Ti is more powerful than Maul you ****. 🙂