Originally posted by The_TempestYeah Lucas was commenting on Canon/Movies-only continuity, like he always does. Those statements have no bearing in relation to other Legends sources.
Anything that wasn't the movies and the TV series was irrelevant to Lucas. The microseries wasn't canon and no one has claimed otherwise.The microseries, like lots of other things that Lucas doesn't give a shit about, is part of the Legends brand.
And lo, we're back to square one: Ziggy failed to prove his retcon.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anything that wasn't the movies and the TV series was irrelevant to Lucas. The microseries wasn't canon and no one has claimed otherwise.The microseries, like lots of other things that Lucas doesn't give a shit about, is part of the Legends brand.
And lo, we're back to square one: Ziggy failed to prove his retcon.
No, it's irrelevant period. Lucas was evidently aware enough about it and cared enough to discuss it with Filoni and decide that the abilities showcased in it were too much and that he wanted them scaled back and contradicted by other material.
Nobody is mentioning canon and legends except for you. The distinction didn't exist when this statement was made.
Likewise, the Jedi Path came out 2 years before Lucas sold Star Wars. The microseries way before. This whole thing took place before the split occured. It has nothing to do with this. The microseries was invalidated before that.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Neph is at least somewhat agreeable at times, Ziggy and Nai have made it an art form over the last decade.
Neph has long been canonized the Patron Saint of Double Standards.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Legend can be rude yes, but in a really awkward and cringey way that one can help but find hilarious, give me a moment and I'll find some gems.
A lot of LeGenD's hostility owes to him being treated like shit in the past. Not excusing it, but he did begin his KMC career as relatively toothless.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it's irrelevant period. Lucas was evidently aware enough about it and cared enough to discuss it with Filoni and decide that the abilities showcased in it were too much and that he wanted them scaled back and contradicted by other material.Nobody is mentioning canon and legends except for you. The distinction didn't exist when this statement was made.
Likewise, the Jedi Path came out 2 years before Lucas sold Star Wars. The microseries way before. This whole thing took place before the split occured. It has nothing to do with this. The microseries was invalidated before that.
And yet when asked about the microseries, Pablo Hidalgo consistently says it counts as Legends, not some sort of bizarre Twilight Zone for shit you don't like.
It's Legends, Neph. Accept it. Embrace it. Bask in how Legendary it is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No, it's irrelevant period. Lucas was evidently aware enough about it and cared enough to discuss it with Filoni and decide that the abilities showcased in it were too much and that he wanted them scaled back and contradicted by other material.Nobody is mentioning canon and legends except for you. The distinction didn't exist when this statement was made.
Likewise, the Jedi Path came out 2 years before Lucas sold Star Wars. The microseries way before. This whole thing took place before the split occured. It has nothing to do with this. The microseries was invalidated before that.
1. Citation needed.
2. Lucas also didn't want lots of the things in the OT to happen because they conflicted with his original vision, but were implemented for a lack of technological capabilities. The fact of the matter is that what was created was created - and the official pre-split canon policy was that it counted as a part of C-canon. You need to explain to us why we should take some hearsay from Lucas about the creative process more seriously than what the official conclusions by the company are.
3. It's funny enough that you don't apply this logic to other areas of dispute, like Lucas telling us that the PT Jedi Order was the Golden Age of the Jedi. If you tie that into the rest of the EU, and invalidate Yoda's OCW feats, you'd have to invalidate a lot of things you see in TOR that you think put those Force users over the PT Jedi, since we now know that to conflict with Lucas's vision.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
And yet when asked about the microseries, Pablo Hidalgo consistently says it counts as Legends, not some sort of bizarre Twilight Zone for shit you don't like.It's Legends, Neph. Accept it. Embrace it. Bask in how Legendary it is.
So what? It can be legends and still be filled with invalid feats.
I mean, wasn't that kind of the point of Legends in the first place? That they're inaccurate? You're just trying to do an end run around the statement of inaccuracy by hiding behind a status that already makes it inaccurate.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
1. Citation needed.
Maybe try reading the last few pages, sport. 😉
Originally posted by Nephthys
So what? It can be legends and still be filled with invalid feats.I mean, wasn't that kind of the point of Legends in the first place? That they're inaccurate? You're just trying to do an end run around the statement of inaccuracy by hiding behind a status that already makes it inaccurate.
And if we're discarding feats/stories because they're Legends and thus, in your own words, "inaccurate," then they all go:
Ellimist
3. It's funny enough that you don't apply this logic to other areas of dispute, like Lucas telling us that the PT Jedi Order was the Golden Age of the Jedi. If you tie that into the rest of the EU, and invalidate Yoda's OCW feats, you'd have to invalidate a lot of things you see in TOR that you think put those Force users over the PT Jedi, since we now know that to conflict with Lucas's vision.
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Originally posted by The_Tempest
And if we're discarding feats/stories because they're Legends and thus, in your own words, "inaccurate," then they all go:
I'm not discarding them because they're Legends. I'm highlighting the hypocrisy of trying to ignore a statement invalidating the feats by hiding behind the Legends brand. The feats were invalid before the split occurred. I'm discarding them because they were discarded.
Originally posted by NephthysWrong darling, there has long been a distinction between the EU and "what's on screen", for example Filoni also said this back in 2012:
No, it's irrelevant period. Lucas was evidently aware enough about it and cared enough to discuss it with Filoni and decide that the abilities showcased in it were too much and that he wanted them scaled back and contradicted by other material.Nobody is mentioning canon and legends except for you. The distinction didn't exist when this statement was made.
The EU is a well of ideas, and there's what's on screen. They don't live in the same universe. Everyone wants to think so, I know. We just need to think of it all as a creative collection of fun ideas separate from what George Lucas has made.
--Behind and Beyond the Battle Lines, Star Wars Insider 34
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm not discarding them because they're Legends. I'm highlighting the hypocrisy of trying to ignore a statement invalidating the feats by hiding behind the Legends brand. The feats were invalid before the split occurred. I'm discarding them because they were discarded.
Lucas discarded them... as canon. In 2014, they became Legends.
Does the smaller sentences help you understand the point?
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Lucas discarded them... as canon. In 2014, they became Legends.Does the smaller sentences help you understand the point?
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Only to understand that I'm talking to a brick wall. As ever, I have more valuable discussions with my toilet than you. I think I'm just going to go back to ignoring you again.
Originally posted by Nephthys
🙄Only to understand that I'm talking to a brick wall. As ever, I have more valuable discussions with my toilet than you. I think I'm just going to go back to ignoring you again.
Given that your opinions are such as what might go into a toilet, I'm not at all surprised you're comfortable talking with one. You should consider diving in and tugging the lever.
