Yoda's TK - not that incredible afterall.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Given that your opinions are such as what might go into a toilet, I'm not at all surprised you're comfortable talking with one. You should consider diving in and tugging the lever.

Damn. I think I just got second degree burns from observing that disintegration.

Vader will be displeased.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Given that your opinions are such as what might go into a toilet, I'm not at all surprised you're comfortable talking with one. You should consider diving in and tugging the lever.

lmfao

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Anything that wasn't the movies and the TV series was irrelevant to Lucas.

That is incorrect. All material in the expanded universe was created with Lucas' vision in mind. They are themselves, extensions of the 6 films, which is why the Holocron system labeled them G-canon - the highest order of the canon within the continuity. You are correct in pointing out that Legends and Canon are two separate entities, but that does not mean that legends are handled any differently now. There simply is no proof for that. And may I remind you how expanded universe was viewed, by the people responsible for that handling it?

"In a nutshell, anything created by the author would be C-level. Anything in the the novels created by George Lucas (whether it comes from unpublished early script versions, unpublished author interviews with George, or George's revisions to the novelization manuscript) would be G-level unless contradicted by the films."

- Leeland Chee regarding Legends material

GL is certainly not bound by the EU, though he's certainly open to using things created in it (Aayla Secura and the Coruscant name, for example). On the other hand, the quote you provide makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe. It is not. The EU must follow certain tenets set by George through the films and other guidelines that he provides outside of the films."

- Leeland Chee on Lucas's vision

There is no reason to deny this other than fanboyism for Yoda, and by extension, Sheev. George is the ultimate authority regarding everything in Star Wars Legends. So when a statement or feat regarding some ambiguous or undefined aspect of a work is inconsistent, the Word of God comes in as the ultimate authority. Such edicts can even go against events as were broadcast, due to someone making a mistake - in this case - it's the level of power demonstrated by PT Jedi in the Clone Wars Micro Series.

"The way George explained it to me going in was that THE CLONE WARS micro-series was really an experiment to see what kind of audience there was for Star Wars in an animated form.[...]So when we into doing this, I think that, now that George is done with the prequels, he wanted to reestablish the rules a little bit more, like "Mace Windu can't take out hundreds of battle droids by himself, otherwise the arena on Geonosis would've been a wipeout"

- Dave Filoni on Lucas' guidlines

It is very simple, Lucas dictates the rules, meaning those awesome feats are out the question. So instead, we can look to Yoda's other showings, which can be found in the movies, the Dark Rendevouz novel or a sourcebook explicitly stating Yoda's limitations and how he declines with age.

The microseries wasn't canon and no one has claimed otherwise.

Again, do you want a sticker?

The microseries, like lots of other things that Lucas doesn't give a shit about, is part of the Legends brand.

Well he very clearly did give a shit about it Gideon. Do I need to post that quote again? This is not the first time he get's involved with things outside the movies either. For example, the Force unleashed video game was created with Lucas' council. You can find a lengthy description of that process in the blurb of the Graphic Novel itself:

Get with the times Ziggy:

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Wrong darling, there has long been a distinction between the EU and "what's on screen", for example Filoni also said this back in 2012:

The EU is a well of ideas, and there's what's on screen. They don't live in the same universe. Everyone wants to think so, I know. We just need to think of it all as a creative collection of fun ideas separate from what George Lucas has made.

--Behind and Beyond the Battle Lines, Star Wars Insider 34

Ironic tho that you cite Lucas' endorsement of the Force Unleashed of all things, as proof that OP microseries feats didn't fit with his vision.

That doesn't come close to to rebuking the statement there. The fact is, still George was the ultimate authority in Star Wars Legends wether you like it or not.

Uh-huh, and according to the ultimate authority George Lucas Legends is just "stories" - none of it is truly consistent with his vision, and none of it is accurate, so as Tempest put it on the previous page:

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And if we're discarding feats/stories because they're Legends and thus, in your own words, "inaccurate," then they all go

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Get with the times Ziggy:👆

Ironic tho that you cite Lucas' endorsement of the Force Unleashed of all things, as proof that OP microseries feats didn't fit with his vision.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t632058.html

I personally believe that Rivi Anu is more ridiculous than Galen. Other than the Star Destroyer feat, which had a compounding list of circumstances, TFU isn't really that over-the-top.

Within the contexts of Lucas believing Windu blowing away armies, and Yoda manipulating shuttles to be OP, of course it is.

An what about little Rivi Anu?

That comic was created by the same people.

Rivi Anu's performance could easily have been a simple feat of Oneness, its no less ridiculous than Kanan one-shotted Maul in combat.

Laughable excuses. In that case, Yoda's shuttle feat was oneness given that he couldn't replicate those showings at any other time. Role call:

Struggling to lift a rather pathetic metal pillar - having to deactivate his lightsaber to do so.

Taking a rather long time to re-direct and throw one senate pod at Palpatine. When he should be able to lift every seat in the room - supposedly.

Failing to reach Ventress' little spaceship before it takes flight after suspending a few rocks:

And last but not least, failing to lift more than five munturr stones, having declined with age and likely declined further.

Laughable excuse? That's rather rich coming from someone whose evading my point because their not prepared to give up their precious "PT sux" theory.

Really you're not getting it are you? Canon depicts Force sensitives as generally less powerful as they are in Legends. However when comparing Canon characters to Legends its illogical to use as a basis to write of their other accomplishments when by the same logic, the breadth of Legends materials could be written off as exaggerated, overblown stories.

On the other hand if that is the approach you which to take then we can do just that, which means most of Vitiate's accomplishments are probably trash, Revan certainly wasn't capable of hurling asteroids (especially when he's canonically inferior to Yoda) and Exar Kun may have never existed. That is the reality you are proposing, not that the most powerful Jedi ever is in fact super lame.

The Essential Reader's Companion notes the EU doesn't fall into Lucas' vision, so he has no authority over it... End of discussion.

Ziggy, aren't you of the stance that moving heavy objects does not equate to being a good combatant? If so, then how does this thread disprove Yoda as a telekinetic powerhouse when his combat TK feats are still quite good (manhandling Ventress, easily matching Dooku, and force pushing and competing with Sidious), and his mastery of force techniques and power probably trumps a good majority of the Star Wars Universe?

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
My assertion is that Yoda's TK is unimpressive, which is supported by a number of sources. The Jedi path stating he can lift no more than 5 muntuur stones past age 700, is one. It stands to reason that his Telekinesis has declined as he nears 900, rather than improved one-thousand times over. This is a retcon. Then there are the movies (the higher levels of canon) or 'legends' depicting him struggling with lesser objects such as steel columns or senate pods. As a final nail in the coffin, we have George Lucas renouncing the micro series for it's inaccurate depiction of Jedi powers.

Your postion is that you know I'm in the right (yoda can not move ships of those sizes) but you think that I have chosen a faulty proof, and when you refute it, you can then claim that you have refuted the whole position. This isn't exactly logical debating...

Legend be reasonable.

Whatever the reason for Yoda's lacking telekinetic ability pre Clone Wars it obviously does not hinder his ability as the war progresses given the C canon feats we know exist that allow us to place him so highly as a telekinetic. 🙂

Nevermind.

Tempest spends his time on other projects, we both frequent a forum he's active in. He just doesn't exert much energy on KMC because the status quo is unlikely to change and any effort on his part would be wasted for the most part.

It's too bad that Yoda's doing so much better in the PT era, isn't it?

Originally posted by AncientPower
Legend acts that way because his culture doesn't allow for rudeness.

You're just as biased and wrongheaded as he is, honestly you're not one to talk