Originally posted by MS Warehouse
What makes you think he is? The burden of proof would be on you. I like how we go from a hyperbolic quote to one that could [b]possibly be used, and Khem Val becomes "kiss ass Khem". At least pretend you're being objective here?[/b]
Well, objective would at least accept that Khem of all people was wrong and that he was fighting alongside Hord, which kills off the notion of Hord fighting them solo.
You haven't provided any of these objective sources and if he's not reliable, I guess neither is Jaina?
I provided both of them. Are you even following this discussion? You decided to respond to my points to Neph, not to you, anyway.
Never said Jaina was objective or reliable. I also asked what you quote of Jaina's in particular you were referring to, and you refused to answer me there. So I couldn't possibly comment.
An army can have jedi and soldiers. His army could be fighting the soldiers while he carries out his ritual against the Jedi. There's your plausible scenario (not that I'm using it).
Who said he killed them with a ritual? What's all this ritual talk even about?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Damn, owned.You gonna take that Sunloser?
I don't care what Quanchi has to say to me, lol. Especially when it comes to double standards.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
This whole argument proves bias and renders all of these arguments moot. The PT/OT/NJO crowd will argue to death about quotes regarding the ancients while taking those for the PT/OT/NJO at face value. The ancient sith crowd turns around and does the same thing. Then the winner declares himself the winner by either posting the longest or saying "concession accepted" and the cycle begins anew.
Originally posted by quanchi112
SunRazer give me an instance where I have used a double standard. You're in the midst of doing it right now.
You've denied it every time it's come up. So why would I bother?
It's tiring when discussions on the forum devolve into quests to prove the others guilty of double standards and ad hominems and what not. Use those terms with restraint, lol.
Originally posted by SunRazerWell they are frustrating when you see people accept them for certain characters and try to find whatever red herring to dismiss them for the characters you do not support. An example would help make your case. Examples always help illustrate your points.
You've denied it every time it's come up. So why would I bother?It's tiring when discussions on the forum devolve into quests to prove the others guilty of double standards and ad hominems and what not. Use those terms with restraint, lol.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Ok so we're all in agreement that everyone uses their own bias to take some quotes at face value, while furiously arguing others? Great, now we can close down this subforum.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Well they are frustrating when you see people accept them for certain characters and try to find whatever red herring to dismiss them for the characters you do not support. An example would help make your case. Examples always help illustrate your points.
Uh, no. I've found quotes for Mace > Dooku, countering the Nihilus/Traya Drain being an instakill notion, etc.
If I find a quote, I share it without twisting it, even if it's against my favorites.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Uh, no. I've found quotes for Mace > Dooku, countering the Nihilus/Traya Drain being an instakill notion, etc.If I find a quote, I share it without twisting it, even if it's against my favorites.
SR even recently made a thread debunking the notion that Nihilus's drain is an instakill and he's one of the biggest fans of KOTOR2 and its characters out there.
I don't agree with him on everything, but his integrity is above reproach.
I could ask you the same. Nobody's infallible. But I do think I have more of a bipartisan record than most here. I've proven that I'm willing to go against my favorites. Although I've also proven that I have questionable interpretations of quotes, but I guess that turns up enough in debates that I don't have to bring it up, lol.