Originally posted by FinalAnswer
I don't know enough about Mother Teresa to make a judgement about her, other then that I know the situation involving her was more complicated then a lot of people give her credit it for, and that without her, people would have been collapsing in the streets of the shittiest city on the planet to be eaten alive by rats.I do know, however, that this Hitchens **** who's the source for alot of these accusations against her is a dishonest and biased shitlord.
Originally posted by Trocity
Mother Teresa was a cretin.
cre·tin
ˈkrētn/
noun
1.
informaloffensive
a stupid person (used as a general term of abuse).
2.
MEDICINEdated
a person who is deformed and mentally handicapped because of congenital thyroid deficiency.
In the case of the first definition of the word, she was having millions of dollars passing through her hands for good or for herself. Pretty smart either way.
The second? Well, i suppose she might have had medical issues towards the end...😛
Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Well the fact that he cites literally zero sources for any of his claims, while also making up ludicrous shit like her forcing baptisms, which don't make any sense, since forced baptisms aren't considered valid.
Nothing about religion really makes no sense though. At least in the documentary I saw they talked with people who knew her. Penn and Teller more or less said the same stuff about her that Hitchens did.
Penn Jillette is one of my intellectual heroes. Really interesting dude, imo. And he's just as happy to shake the hands of those calling bullsh*t on his bullsh*t, which is great. He's a huge proponent of active debate, where everyone should be free to call the other side's argument idiotic but still have respect for the speaker and the right to hold that opinion. His bizarre, mutual friendship with Glenn Beck is an excellent example of this in action. He doesn't get enough credit for his role in the Free Thinking community, and what he's done to popularize shows and articles that his and Teller's "Bullsh*t" show inspired.
Hitchens was the most vitriolic of the atheistic "Horsemen" as they were so dubbed. As such, he was routinely dismissed for his tone rather than his content, which is a shame. Very incisive thinker, though. He was also an excellent journalist. It's a bit odd to me, then, that his claims against Mother Teresa never gained more steam. We love deconstructing our idols. There's like a weird cultural fetish about it. But the angry media war horse never materialized for her like it did for many.
I haven't actually researched her story enough - and the claims against her - to have an opinion on their veracity. Or how we should contextualize her works, which is equally important. Canonization just isn't the type of thing I care about enough in this day and age to devote time and resources to. However, as it looks like a couple have discovered in this thread, there is a camp against her, and a case both for and against this act by the Church.
Originally posted by Digi
Penn Jillette is one of my intellectual heroes. Really interesting dude, imo. And he's just as happy to shake the hands of those calling bullsh*t on his bullsh*t, which is great. He's a huge proponent of active debate, where everyone should be free to call the other side's argument idiotic but still have respect for the speaker and the right to hold that opinion. His bizarre, mutual friendship with Glenn Beck is an excellent example of this in action. He doesn't get enough credit for his role in the Free Thinking community, and what he's done to popularize shows and articles that his and Teller's "Bullsh*t" show inspired.Hitchens was the most vitriolic of the atheistic "Horsemen" as they were so dubbed. As such, he was routinely dismissed for his tone rather than his content, which is a shame. Very incisive thinker, though. He was also an excellent journalist. It's a bit odd to me, then, that his claims against Mother Teresa never gained more steam. We love deconstructing our idols. There's like a weird cultural fetish about it. But the angry media war horse never materialized for her like it did for many.
I haven't actually researched her story enough - and the claims against her - to have an opinion on their veracity. Or how we should contextualize her works, which is equally important. Canonization just isn't the type of thing I care about enough in this day and age to devote time and resources to. However, as it looks like a couple have discovered in this thread, there is a camp against her, and a case both for and against this act by the Church.
What's your thoughts on maher?
Originally posted by FinalAnswerGood post
I don't know enough about Mother Teresa to make a judgement about her, other then that I know the situation involving her was more complicated then a lot of people give her credit it for, and that without her, people would have been collapsing in the streets of the shittiest city on the planet to be eaten alive by rats.I do know, however, that this Hitchens **** who's the source for alot of these accusations against her is a dishonest and biased shitlord.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What's your thoughts on maher?
That he's well beyond the purview of this thread, and I'd honestly rather not get us too off-topic. Hitchens and Jilette have more direct ties to the topic, at least.
In a nutshell: he skews more political than atheist thinkers I regularly follow, so I have less to say about him than you might think. As cultural satirists go, though, John Oliver is more my speed.
Originally posted by Digi
That he's well beyond the purview of this thread, and I'd honestly rather not get us too off-topic. Hitchens and Jilette have more direct ties to the topic, at least.In a nutshell: he skews more political than atheist thinkers I regularly follow, so I have less to say about him than you might think. As cultural satirists go, though, John Oliver is more my speed.
Ok just generally curious. Should've pmed u.
Originally posted by krisblaze
A true saint by the tenets of her religion.Alleviating some of the misery but still supporting the causes for it 👆
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Here's someone I think has been critically under-looked for Sainthood (I doubt most people here will be interested due to him not being on TV and not being fixated on being cynical and witty, but you might be interested, Riv):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyohiko_Kagawa
https://love2justice.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/do-you-know-the-st-francis-of-japan-part-one/
Not only someone who gave his money and health to healing and caring for the sick and poor, but also a social reformer who fundamentally improved life for those people in Japan. He also formed the first workers' unions and did it without advocacy for violence to achieve those ends. He helped to organise the first earthquake relief movements, too – the Buddhism practised in Japan at the time essentially meant that the government thought that they should remain stoical to the suffering of others as that 'what happens happens for a reason.' One more thing is that he was one of the few people to actually be anti-war throughout WWII, thus being seen as both an enemy in American and in Japan, and he held fast to this stance despite being repeatedly imprisoned by his own government. He seems almost unknown outside of Japan, which I think is criminal, because despite operating beyond traditional Catholic doctrine (he didn't believe in denominations because he saw that as causing division within Christianity), he summed up everything a Saint could hope to achieve: helping those in need whilst preaching the teachings of Christ. Saint Francis of Japan, indeed.