This is you saying that you hoped Riv didn't also like Gandhi or respect the good that he did and as such, you are saying that Gandhi isn't worthy of any praise – which in my eyes serves the same function as saying he wasn't a good person to any degree and should be vilified.
Originally posted by Lord LucienYeah... fair point. Sadly.
This thread. Every other thread.
Originally posted by riv6672Probably the best idea, really. The constant use of binary right/wrong, good/evil, etc., by most people gets a bit tiresome after a while for me, but I do like seeing how far some people take it from time to time.
I take it with a grain of salt.
The internet is full of pretty simple philosophies. I enjoy reading the off the wall stuff that gets put out on even the most innocuous thread subjects.
Originally posted by Scribble
This is you saying that you hoped Riv didn't also like Gandhi or respect the good that he did and as such, you are saying that Gandhi isn't worthy of any praise – which in my eyes serves the same function as saying he wasn't a good person to any degree and should be vilified.
I said "hope you aren't a fan". Why? It's that whole thing with people not liking when they find out negative things about people they respect. Nobody said Gandhi wasn't worthy of any praise.
Like I said before: Most of the time when people talk about the dude..it is about all the good he did. So yeah, dude can stand to have some negative shit said, it doesn't mean you can't say a single good thing about Gandhi.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You can note someone's accomplishments without raising them up on a podium. Being too liberal with the praise his actions provided for Indian independence tends to outshout his flaws as a racist and pervert.It really sucks when every time you mention one side of something, you MUST mention the other side immediately after, just so that people who really feel their dissent is important don't feel the need to point your "apparent" bias out for you.
Exactly. We do a disservice to the entire world whenever we put people up on unnecessary pedestals.
Mother Theresa, Gandhi, etc. When people discuss them it's usually not the shady shit they did. Now if all anyone ever said about Gandhi was "dude is racist" then I could actually understand the whole "wait he did a lot of good". But this dude's NAME alone is associated with peace, etc. Just the very mention of it conjures up images of this tiny little peaceful bald dude.
Theresa? Being made a damn saint. Nobody constantly villifies these people, it's the exact opposite. Hell, I thought with saints they needed to have performed actual miracles? So not only is Theresa usually talked about in a kind light..they basically just said she was also magic.
Magic... Christianity... the two aren't supposed to be synonymous, but I don't know how they can't be. Without Googling it, I do believe that someone has to perform at least 2 confirmed miracles after death in order to be canonized, so I wonder what she supposedly did.
All these humans we seem to think were without major flaws. It's like people can only be villains, or only be heroes.
Most of the evidence of Gandhi's racism seems to come from a period where his peaceful doctrine was still being formed, so it's hard to say whether he remained racist or not as he didn't seem to touch upon it during the period he's most famous for. He did say some pretty bad things back then though, mostly whilst he was in South Africa, but slamming someone for being racist in the early 20th century does seem kind of redundant. The response the person gives in this piece sums this up (and yes, they have sources, something that Penn and Teller rarely deal with, accepting anything their 'experts' say as fact):
https://www.quora.com/Was-Gandhi-a-racist-or-a-pedophile
Mother Teresa's 'miracles' can be found here:
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Yup, pretty simple.Also, if no one is constantly vilifying these people, how have you and all the other posters in this thread come by your fun facts?
Somebody somewhere is dong exactly what you're bitching that no one is doing.Man i love the internet. 🙂
Okay so I never said nobody ever says anything bad about them. I said that usually when they are spoken of in the media, etc. they are spoken of in a good light. Usually when a lot of people talk about them it is positive.
To be honest your response doesn't make any sense to me. You say you "love the internet" and that is kinda the point. This new thing called the "internet" is how I'm able to find out the more obscure/negative things about her.
Originally posted by Scribble
Most of the evidence of Gandhi's racism seems to come from a period where his peaceful doctrine was still being formed, so it's hard to say whether he remained racist or not as he didn't seem to touch upon it during the period he's most famous for. He did say some pretty bad things back then though, mostly whilst he was in South Africa, but slamming someone for being racist in the early 20th century does seem kind of redundant. The response the person gives in this piece sums this up (and yes, they have sources, something that Penn and Teller rarely deal with, accepting anything their 'experts' say as fact):
I am fully aware of the historical context and how prevalent racism was at the time. Though I don't think that necessarily makes it okay.
Mother Teresa's 'miracles' can be found here:
Exactly, they are legitimately saying she is magic. Some people truly believe this stuff. Actual adults.
^^^Those last 2 sentences? Gold.
I see where you're ciming from now, though i can barely crane my neck back far enough to see that high.
On topic:
"Let he who is without sin cadt the first stone". You dont have to be religious to have that apply. Everyone has done shitty things.
So, either you believe no one is entitled to praise/have never admired anyone in your life, OR, you just pick and choose.
"That person's being honored for something? There's GOT to be some negative stuff out there for me to point out in this conversation, MWA".
Like i said, unless you've never admired anyone, because everyone, has done shitty things, you dont have a leg to stand on, and THATS why i love the internet, because i get to see guys like you do your thing.
Originally posted by riv6672
though i can barely crane my neck back far enough to see that high.
Damn, getting old must suck bro.
Anyways: