How powerful is Karness Muur?

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SunRazer Back From The Dead

How powerful is Karness Muur?

It seems people generally rank RotJ Vader > Muur > 19BBY Vader, but even then, there's quite a gap in between the two Vader's. If anyone could justify a precise ranking for Muur in terms of Force power/mastery, that'd be great.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Pretty sure he's more powerful than Vader. All we really have is his powerful lightning that overwhelmed Krayt and his declaration that he's killed sith much more powerful than Krayt.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

That's not true at all. He has more than just that.

chingchangwalla Restricted

Interested in this too.

MS Warehouse Senior Member
Originally posted by SunRazer
That's not true at all. He has more than just that.

That's just what came to me at the top of my head. He's obviously in the same class as Pall and he was a rival of Drepya who was an absolute beast in the showings in the Lost Tribe comics.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Him being > Vong Krayt puts him above Vader tbh.

MythLord Diamond

Him being more powerful than an inferior version of a Vader Kenobi stalemated doesn't strike me as oo-la-la immediately, tbh.

But, in an overall sense of power, ahead of beings like Maul, but below beings like Vader and Krayt strike me as a good position.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Originally posted by MythLord
Him being more powerful than an inferior version of a Vader Kenobi stalemated doesn't strike me as oo-la-la immediately, tbh.

But, in an overall sense of power, ahead of beings like Maul, but below beings like Vader and Krayt strike me as a good position.

He was also more powerful than Krayt, which puts him above Vader as well. Also, being more powerful than an inferior version that "beat" Obiwan with a lightsaber is completely irrelevant, since we're not discussing lightsaber superiority, but force.

MythLord Diamond

Vong Krayt isn't better than Vader.

And Vader beat ANH, post-prime Kenobi only after 19 years of massive improvement. I believe it was clear cut Mustafar Lord Vader and, by extention, Kenobi are greater than 19 BBY Vader.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Vong Krayt isn't better than Vader.

Yea, he is. But we can agree to disagree.

And Vader beat ANH, post-prime Kenobi only after 19 years of massive improvement. I believe it was clear cut Mustafar Lord Vader and, by extention, Kenobi are greater than 19 BBY Vader.

Yet this is a force discussion since Muur has precisely zero showings of lightsaber proficiency aside from a single scan. You decided to bring in sabers as a distraction whether accidentally or intentionally.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The thing is, the more you downplay 19BBY Vader, the more Muur... doesn't get downplayed?

The beauty of that one scan is that it's not just about Muur's power being greater than Vader's, but also that his power, combined with Vader's, could've overthrown the Emperor. The less powerful you make Vader out to be, the more Muur will be compensating for that, lol.

Still not sure where he ranks to later iterations of Vader, though.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

The thing is, the more you downplay 19BBY Vader, the more Muur... doesn't get downplayed?

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The beauty of that one scan is that it's not just about Muur's power being greater than Vader's, but also that his power, combined with Vader's, could've overthrown the Emperor. The less powerful you make Vader out to be, the more Muur will be compensating for that, lol.

That's the general idea. I honestly don't think there's much force disparity between Vong Krayt and Reborn Krayt. He just lacks the weaknesses Vong Krayt had. If there was any increase, it was in "force clarity".

AncientPower The Chosen One

He's stated to be more powerful than ever, though. 😬

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Well, Krayt claims that his powers were multiplied. Then again, Muur claims that Vong Krayt was a mere zygote compared to him. I guess Vong Krayt's not a very high benchmark, huh? 🙂

MS Warehouse Senior Member

He's stated to be more powerful than ever, though.

That goes hand in hand with his force clarity and absence of previous weaknesses. I forget though did he say that or was that stated by the author?

Muur claims that Vong Krayt was a mere zygote compared to him. I guess Vong Krayt's not a very high benchmark, huh? smile

Hard to tell, Murr was dead by the time Krayt was reborn. He very well could have said the same thing.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

What he said clearly wasn't the case, though, as with his "I've easily slain Sith far more powerful than you!" comment, so it's worthless anyway.

I recall Lord Paladius claiming that stronger Sith than Nox had attempted to take over his cult before, and that he had bested them every time. He said this after the cheap-shot Sever Force. When he still lost to Nox, he's amazed and says something to the effect of Nox being far more powerful than anybody he ever knew. So it's probably something like that.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Kun ~ Krayt > Muur > Vong Krayt ~ ROTJ Vader, is typically what I get from all that.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

What he said clearly wasn't the case, though, as with his "I've easily slain Sith far more powerful than you!" comment, so it's worthless anyway.

No, i meant he didn't get a chance to voice his opinion of reborn Krayt because he was dead, lol.

Kun ~ Krayt > Muur > Vong Krayt ~ ROTJ Vader, is typically what I get from all that.

Why is Kun above Reborn Krayt?

SunRazer Back From The Dead
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
No, i meant he didn't get a chance to voice his opinion of reborn Krayt because he was dead, lol.

I know. I'm saying his commentary would've been worthless anyway.

AncientPower The Chosen One

Why do you think '~' equates to '>'?