Originally posted by ares834
Well it's not about Murr's power > Vader's. Vader muses that he may fall under Murr's sway, it's not guaranteed that he would. Plus it seems resisting him has more to it than shear power as Celeste resisted MuUr for years and Cade was not tempted in the slightest.
Sure they weren't. Because they had no need for his power. Vader needed it to overthrow the Emperor. He'd naturally want it more. Celeste viewed herself as shouldering the burden of the Muur Talisman for the safety of others, and Cade only allowed Muur onto his arm so he could destroy him. He had no interest in the power that Muur could offer him to begin with.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Read the fight, Luke and Krayt both perform well against Abeloth, Luke takes more of the pressure than Krayt does, but the actual fight speaks for itself. Muur is canonically stated to be Darth Krayt's superior, it's well out of Vader's reach.
While I agree with you for the most part, nowhere is it actually canonically stated that Muur is superior to Krayt. It was Muur's own opinion which I also tend to side with.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Muur's canonically more powerful than Vong Krayt, yeah.But I don't take Vong Krayt as more powerful than Apocalypse Krayt.
Again, while I agree this is the case, where is this canonically stated? I've never seen anything resembling a quote. Through arguments he's obviously superior but that's about it.
Apocalypse Krayt doesn't have the 100+ years of experience of Vong Krayt but he already seems incredibly powerful during Luke's peak, basically on equal terms with Luke.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Again, while I agree this is the case, where is this canonically stated? I've never seen anything resembling a quote. Through arguments he's obviously superior but that's about it.
Here:
On Had Abbadon, in the Deep Core, Krayt confronted Skywalker a second time. But a third Force-user possessed powers that outshone them both. Karness Muur, an ancient Sith spirit, blasted Krayt with overpowering energy, sending him over a cliff to the rocks below.-- Insider #113: Profile: Darth Krayt
Apocalypse Krayt doesn't have the 100+ years of experience of Vong Krayt but he already seems incredibly powerful during Luke's peak, basically on equal terms with Luke.
Hardly on equal terms. It's been discussed many times, I don't have the energy to do it again.
On Had Abbadon, in the Deep Core, Krayt confronted Skywalker a second time. But a third Force-user possessed powers that outshone them both. Karness Muur, an ancient Sith spirit, blasted Krayt with overpowering energy, sending him over a cliff to the rocks below.-- Insider #113: Profile: Darth Krayt
Hardly on equal terms. It's been discussed many times, I don't have the energy to do it again.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Yeah, that's not shown anywhere. Luke took a beating early on in the fight where Krayt didn't really do much. He only really contributed once Abeloth was weakened from her other avatars being destroyed.
From what I remember, at least offensively, Krayt appeared to do more. But again, it's been about 3 years since I last read the book so I could be wrong.
Originally posted by SunRazer
He "did more" once Luke took the brunt of Abeloth's assault and Abeloth weakened dramatically after her avatars were being struck down throughout the galaxy. Luke was restraining Abeloth for Krayt at points, too, so that's not exactly the most valid comparison either.
Interesting. Ok