How powerful is Karness Muur?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Don't be coy. Tell them

Lol. There's nothing to say. You know damn well though that I don't consider most of the swtor characters above Vader, just some of them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Well the quote was reflecting on how Pall viewed the Star Map back when he was alive, not how he does now as a spirit.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The thing is, the more you downplay 19BBY Vader, the more Muur... doesn't get downplayed?

The beauty of that one scan is that it's not just about Muur's power being greater than Vader's, but also that his power, combined with Vader's, could've overthrown the Emperor. The less powerful you make Vader out to be, the more Muur will be compensating for that, lol.

Still not sure where he ranks to later iterations of Vader, though.

Which is Vader's opinion if he himself gets amplified by the Talisman, tho. And Vader just has some massive wishful thinking about him even approaching Palpatine to begin with.

Also, remember that Vader at this point is also barely tasting what his master is really capable of.

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Galen Marek level. 🙂

Vader doesn't rank that low Syn, don't be a troll

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, Krayt claims that his powers were multiplied. Then again, Muur claims that Vong Krayt was a mere zygote compared to him. I guess Vong Krayt's not a very high benchmark, huh? 🙂

That always seemed odd to me.

Which begs the question, why did Muur want to kill Cade and possess Krayt? He claimed he wanted someone strong in the Dark side, but why take Krayt's decrepit and Vong infested body over someone young and with the speshul Skywalker bloodline?

That always seemed odd to me.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Vader doesn't rank that low Syn, don't be a troll

You're getting a spanking tonight. 🙂

It's only a possibility that Muur was more powerful then 19 BBY Vader, not a fact.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You're getting a spanking tonight. 🙂

How is that a punishment?

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Can we please stop pretending Vader is relevant when Muur's confirmed to be more powerful than Krayt, who is performing on par with FOTJ Luke in Beyond Shadows.

LMAO.

Read the fight, Luke and Krayt both perform well against Abeloth, Luke takes more of the pressure than Krayt does, but the actual fight speaks for itself. Muur is canonically stated to be Darth Krayt's superior, it's well out of Vader's reach.

Luke Skywalker held his own with his raw power but Darth Krayt carried himself well with his Force Drain powers, in that confrontation. This example reminds us that Force Drain powers can be a game-changer in a confrontation against a relatively superior foe.

While I disagree with AncientPower in the ranking of Vong Krayt, I agree that his Superiority to Vong Krayt, is more impressive to his superiority to Vader(not including Vaders thoughts, of being superior to Palps, with Muur´s help). While Vong Krayt in naturally near-dead, he is still (vastly) superior to the likes of Wyyrlok and Nihl.

Vong Krayt's feats are just better than Vader's, especially in Beyond Shadows with Luke.

While I could see that Beyond Shadows Krayt is > Vader, and up to Plagueis Level, I doubt that Legacy Vong Krayt is above Vader. Which Legacy feats do you mean?

Considering Beyond Shadows Krayt scales down in the same manner Beyond Shadow Luke does, and considering Luke is canonically more powerful than Vader already in the NR era, and that Luke is casually pawning Caedus, an implied superior of Darth Vader himself, prior to FOTJ. Yeh, the writing is on the wall.