Darth Vader vs. Darth Nihilus

Started by Ursumeles6 pages

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
That's because I know you well Nova, and you do indulge my stupidity when you think you have the advantage. However, whenever I call out double standards, or make a case you can not rebuke. It's always Radio-silencio.

Example, just the other day I called you out on double standards. Yet you were no where to be seen. For a reason maybe?


None debate then in which you stomp Myth, then? :/
Oh, and Nova stomped you in this debate 👆

Disintegrating 150m of ship material doesn't even compare to telekinetically reconstructing a structurally destroyed 1200m warship, never mind an entire fleet of them.

And Vader grew more powerful since TFU? Nihilus fed off multiple planets after his feat.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
None debate then in which you stomp Myth, then? :/
Oh, and Nova stomped you in this debate 👆

Tbh Ziggy stomped Wolf on CV in a Caedus thread. Wolf attempted to act as if they were beneath them but when called out he said he refused to debate Ziggy. Later on he debated Ziggy on numerous other topics.

Lmao.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Disintegrating 150m of ship material doesn't even compare to telekinetically reconstructing a structurally destroyed 1200m warship, never mind an entire fleet of them.

And Vader grew more powerful since TFU? Nihilus fed off multiple planets after his feat.

Is that addressed to Wolf or somebody else?

Originally posted by SunRazer
[B]It's not as if you haven't chosen silence in the midst of debates as well.

Yes, and most of those were because I didn't have the will or conviction to respond (that is called loosing a debate) or other times where I simply didn't have the answers. I never claimed to be unbeatable. I never even claimed to have beaten you every time. Wolfmyth on the other hand, is a different story altogether. The dude literally cries and flails his arms around when he can't get the upper-hand.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
The dude literally cries and flails his arms around when he can't get the upper-hand.

that sounds like quite a mental problem
u shouldn't be laughing and that and rather seek help for him

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Is that addressed to Wolf or somebody else?

In general.

Originally posted by SunRazer
And Vader grew more powerful since TFU? Nihilus fed off multiple planets after his feat.
Which he used to sustain his life energies yeah, I've still yet to see proof this actually made him more powerful. mmm

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Tbh Ziggy stomped Wolf on CV in a Caedus thread. Wolf attempted to act as if they were beneath them but when called out he said he refused to debate Ziggy. Later on he debated Ziggy on numerous other topics.

Lmao.


In which? I am interested.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which he used to sustain his life energies yeah, I've still yet to see proof this actually made him more powerful. mmm

Well, if you want to take this quote:

It is something the Sith, the assassins that stalk us, can do - it is of the dark side, the ability to feed on life, the Force, the closer one comes to it. It makes them stronger - for a time.

-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Which would also justify why Surik is so much weaker in the novel, since she no longer feeds off others, and this temporary enhancement would inevitably dissipate.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
In which? I am interested.

One moment while I find it.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if you want to take this quote:

Which would also justify why Surik is so much weaker in the novel, since she no longer feeds off others, and this temporary enhancement would inevitably dissipate.

Not to be that guy, but didn't the KOTORCG indicate that feeding simply satisfies Nihilus's hunger temporarily? In which case, couldn't stronger simply mean to rejuvenate? Like one might say giving a starving man a meal would make him stronger?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if you want to take this quote:

Which would also justify why Surik is so much weaker in the novel, since she no longer feeds off others, and this temporary enhancement would inevitably dissipate.

Wow. I have never heard that argument to justify Meetra being weaker in the Revan novel.... Hmmmm.

I think the Exile is due for a reassessment.

@Syn thanks.

@Razer Wow. Neat find 👆

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Wow. I have never heard that argument to justify Meetra being weaker in the Revan novel.... Hmmmm.

I think the Exile is due for a reassessment.

Oh, there's many. The simplest is just that Drew's an idiot, which he is, but even in-universe, such justifications exist.

I was planning on making a blog on this too, but I'm busy at the moment, so it'll have to wait.

Well, I guess this is my chance to watch some KOTOR I and II playthroughs for myself.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not to be that guy, but didn't the KOTORCG indicate that feeding simply satisfies Nihilus's hunger temporarily? In which case, couldn't stronger simply mean to rejuvenate? Like one might say giving a starving man a meal would make him stronger?

It claims that the dark side's hold on him gets stronger every time he does this, so even there, it seems like he's growing stronger.

Regardless, it's established more than once in KotOR II that the Assassins actually get stronger when they use this feeding technique, and it's also established that Nihilus uses an identical technique. So yeah, Nihilus would get stronger, too, provided that he keeps up the feeding to "refresh" this temporary boost.

That said, his feat outclasses Starkiller's so drastically that he wouldn't need a power-up to be well beyond the reach of Prime Vader telekinetically, regardless of what mental gymnastics you want to bring to the table.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if you want to take this quote:

Which would also justify why Surik is so much weaker in the novel, since she no longer feeds off others, and this temporary enhancement would inevitably dissipate.

Well that's in relation to the Sith in general, unlike them, Nihilus' life force (and his power) is being consumed by a Force wound.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Not to be that guy, but didn't the KOTORCG indicate that feeding simply satisfies Nihilus's hunger temporarily? In which case, couldn't stronger simply mean to rejuvenate? Like one might say giving a starving man a meal would make him stronger?
Yeah, it also states that "As Nihilus greedy consumes entire planets life energies, the dark side macerates him even faster."

His hunger seems to be a product of the wound literally eating away at his existence, the implication here being its devouring him faster than he can replace what's been lost. Kreia also suggests that as a result his oblivion is inevitable.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Well that's in relation to the Sith in general, unlike them, Nihilus' life force (and his power) is being consumed by a Force wound.

Except this Draining technique amped the Exile, without her Wound providing some sort of counteracting Drain.

You're reaching now. The fact that Nihilus continually needs to feed on others doesn't preclude him from gaining strength through this feeding.

I'm off for the night, but it's pretty ludicrous to pursue this logic, since it would suggest that Nihilus would've only been weakening ever since he first became a Wound in the Force after the Battle of Malachor V.

By the way, if we're running off KotORCG, Sion is implied to also be a Wound in the Force, and his Drain works exactly as my quote shows, lol.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Tbh Ziggy stomped Wolf on CV in a Caedus thread. Wolf attempted to act as if they were beneath them but when called out he said he refused to debate Ziggy. Later on he debated Ziggy on numerous other topics.

Lmao.

That... was actually my last debate with Ziggy, hon. I assume you're referring to the conjecture he spewed out about how Kyle Katarn was in a meld against Caedus and can potentially solo him?