Originally posted by MythLord
That... was actually my last debate with Ziggy, hon. I assume you're referring to the conjecture he spewed out about how Kyle Katarn was in a meld against Caedus and can potentially solo him?
Well to put it in your own words:
Correct. A debate is not about the character in question, but the person arguing for them. I took the character that would usually be sided against - and didn't just win - but casually destroyed your argument. Inevitably, proclamations of not wanting to debate a troll came soon after.
So it's no wonder why you don't want to fight a better debater than yourself, while siding against a character that nonchalantly drains planets.
Originally posted by SunRazerThe Exile isn't the same as Nihilus either, unlike her she didn't give in to feeding, which made Nihilus' wound larger.
Except this Draining technique amped the Exile, without her Wound providing some sort of counteracting Drain.You're reaching now. The fact that Nihilus continually needs to feed on others doesn't preclude him from gaining strength through this feeding.
And I'm not reaching lol, the TCSWE states Nihilus needs to feed to keep himself alive:
"Darth Nihilus was known as the Lord of Hunger as was noted for his ability to literally consume the Force energies of his victims, which he used to sustain his own life energies."
The KOTORCG states it "macerates him faster" than he can feed. Given that, its perfectly reasonable to question whether the wound was in fact, sapping his strength, and his drainage of worlds was meeting diminishing returns.
I'm off for the night, but it's pretty ludicrous to pursue this logic, since it would suggest that Nihilus would've only been weakening ever since he first became a Wound in the Force after the Battle of Malachor V.*slow clap*
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
Originally posted by SunRazerImplied perhaps, but he bears none of the symptoms, so probably not. Certainly not to the extent of Nihilus.
By the way, if we're running off KotORCG, Sion is implied to also be a Wound in the Force, and his Drain works exactly as my quote shows, lol.
Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Well to put it in your own words:Correct. A debate is not about the character in question, but the person arguing for them. I took the character that would usually be sided against - and didn't just win - but casually destroyed your argument. Inevitably, proclamations of not wanting to debate a troll came soon after.
So it's no wonder why you don't want to fight a better debater than yourself, while siding against a character that nonchalantly drains planets.
Well, first of all LMAO, you really do have various statements from various people bookmarked... How desperate are you?
Second of all, I still agree with what I said. A debater that lacks experience, like Muser did at the time, isn't up to stack against you, who can blatantly lie to him or the voters and might not even get called out on it because most of them are too hypnotized by a wall of text and fancy writting.
Like I said, me choosing to ignore you isn't me choosing to concede to you, lmao. You admitted to being a troll to Razer already, have argued Traya is > Sidious just for the hell of it and continue to be generally mocked and/or ignored by any debater worth their salt... Why should I be any different, and actually give you the time of day? The times I have, you usually remained silent and pulled back, and such has happened against Beni, Tempest and Razer.
The fact is, your only supporters are either scrubs or people who wish to spite the person you're debating at the point of said debate. In this case, Syndi over here has a wonderful love-hate relationship with me and much like you has remained a persistent attention-wh0re in hopes their senpai will notice them, hence he's "on your side" so to speak.
Funny part is: Syndicate actually has some redeemable qualities, unbelievably, and has made decent arguments; you on the other hand pride yourself as being an utter Nai rip-off -- kinda ironic when said person also considers you a disgrace -- and have literally nothing to be proud about.
I'm now eagerly awaiting another wall'o'text that you'll no doubt post that I can ignore and do more relevant things with my life.
I'm not going to respond to yet another personal rant, Myth. I wish to debate Nihillus vs Vader. So let clarify two things.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well, first of all LMAO, you really do have various statements from various people bookmarked... How desperate are you?
Correction - I have a memory and the ability to use google search.
I'm now eagerly awaiting another wall'o'text that you'll no doubt post that I can ignore and do more relevant things with my life.
I'd prefer to argue why Nhillus is better than Vader. You can see a post for that, right here click me.
Originally posted by MythLord
It's easier to do this than to go scover through the Vader RTs and sources I have available, to type up a far bigger wall of text.
It's not easier though. If I actually wanted to engage in your personal war - the equivalent to contracting bowl cancer and shitting posts at each other, it would do a lot more damage to you than me. There would be links to all the threads you ran away from me in, embarrassing youtube videos, screenshots of people like DC (who certainly going to favour you as a freind) siding with posts i made against you. The fact you had to create a new Youtube Chanel under a different name ( and using a different accent) to redeem the sins of the old one - grandmaster luke vs Superman, anyone? It just wouldn't be worth it.
None of this matters, because you just admitted you don't want to debate, because it's easier not to. For a reason maybe?
Also, I take more enjoyment from knocking you off your high horse than debating someone as thick-headed as you.
Well you have not done that so far. So how about Nihilus vs Vader?
1. DC believed you were better in that one topic, because he likes any possible Katarn arguments people can bring him, really.
2. Most of my old arguments and videos are rather embarrassing, hence why they're all long gone(also, I never changed my accent, lmao, that's just false af, not that it suprises me)... But we all have things we disagree with from the past, and back then I was a lunatic.
3. And like I said: me ignoring you isn't me "running away", lmao.
4. To ultimately answer your question, assuming I do enter a debate with you, I'd end up just wasting my time formulating arguments because you have a habit of not staying down when you're suppose to.
On top of that, I'd have to read through irrelevant walls of text and really I'd gain nothing from the debate. This way, you're more attacking me personally and raising yourself on a ranking you don't really deserve, in a desperate bid for attention to try and look "kewl" to other users of inferior intellectual capacity.
For the record: I can just as easily scover KMC or ComicVine and post screenshots of actually smart debaters not considering you worth a damn, or some of your embarrassing opinions/threads where you've attempted to bait other users and I, or posted downright false information. The reason I don't is I see no reason to bring up the past to try and win in the present, nor do I feel the need to do that to try and make myself seem "superior".
Originally posted by MythLord
1. DC believed you were better in that one topic, because he likes any possible Katarn arguments people can bring him, really.2. Most of my old arguments and videos are rather embarrassing, hence why they're all long gone(also, I never changed my accent, lmao, that's just false af, not that it suprises me)... But we all have things we disagree with from the past, and back then I was a lunatic.
3. And like I said: me ignoring you isn't me "running away", lmao.
4. To ultimately answer your question, assuming I do enter a debate with you, I'd end up just wasting my time formulating arguments because you have a habit of not staying down when you're suppose to.
On top of that, I'd have to read through irrelevant walls of text and really I'd gain nothing from the debate. This way, you're more attacking me personally and raising yourself on a ranking you don't really deserve, in a desperate bid for attention to try and look "kewl" to other users of inferior intellectual capacity.
For the record: I can just as easily scover KMC or ComicVine and post screenshots of actually smart debaters not considering you worth a damn, or some of your embarrassing opinions/threads where you've attempted to bait other users and I, or posted downright false information. The reason I don't is I see no reason to bring up the past to try and win in the present, nor do I feel the need to do that to try and make myself seem "superior".
Basically :
Originally posted by MythLord
Any credible debaters wanna try and give my argument a swing?I can only hear children crying.
Anyway, Vader vs Nihillus?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The Exile isn't the same as Nihilus either, unlike her she didn't give in to feeding, which made Nihilus' wound larger.
What are you talking about? Nihilus' Hunger was exacerbated even by his unconscious feeding, as your beloved KotORCG claims, and that's exactly what the Exile did to everyone that she killed.
And I'm not reaching lol, the TCSWE states Nihilus needs to feed to keep himself alive:"Darth Nihilus was known as the Lord of Hunger as was noted for his ability to literally consume the Force energies of his victims, which he used to sustain his own life energies."
The fact that he requires it for sustenance doesn't mean that he can't empower himself in the process of feeding.
The KOTORCG states it "macerates him faster" than he can feed. Given that, its perfectly reasonable to question whether the wound was in fact, sapping his strength, and his drainage of worlds was meeting diminishing returns.*slow clap*
"Macerates him faster" was in the context of his body, which is it mentions that there's "no matter" once Nihilus transfers his essence into his armor.
"There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls."
Yeah, Kreia's talking about how his hunger is getting more and more control over him, which she says at multiple points. It doesn't mean that he's his Drain fails to make him stronger or keep him constant in terms of power.
But since you so kindly decided to use Kreia as evidence, here she is confirming that Nihilus' powers are growing and will continue to grow:
"And that is why he must be stopped, the breach must sealed, before his power grows beyond what even we can hope to stop."-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Checkmate 👆
Originally posted by SunRazerBeloved, right. Do you have an issue with using the source material as evidence Nova? But no what I'm saying is that she did not conciously given in to feeding as Nihilus did, consequently her wound doesn't appear significant enough to "macerate" her as it did him.
What are you talking about? Nihilus' Hunger was exacerbated even by his unconscious feeding, as your beloved KotORCG claims, and that's exactly what the Exile did to everyone that she killed.
The fact that he requires it for sustenance doesn't mean that he can't empower himself in the process of feeding.Not necessarily, but if the output exceeds the input it stands to reason that is the case.
"Macerates him faster" was in the context of his body, which is it mentions that there's "no matter" once Nihilus transfers his essence into his armor.His living tissue yeah, which tie him to the living Force, and according to Kreia in continues to "devour" him after the fact.
Yeah, Kreia's talking about how his hunger is getting more and more control over him, which she says at multiple points. It doesn't mean that he's his Drain fails to make him stronger or keep him constant in terms of power.In what sense? None of the highlighted parts mention mental control.
But since you so kindly decided to use Kreia as evidence, here she is confirming that Nihilus' powers are growing and will continue to grow:Quite, in which case she's referring to his drain, I'm looking for evidence he became more powerful holistically.Checkmate 👆
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Beloved, right. Do you have an issue with using the source material as evidence Nova?
Well, as I cite from it, no.
But no what I'm saying is that she did not conciously given in to feeding as Nihilus did, consequently her wound doesn't appear significant enough to "macerate" her as it did him.Not necessarily, but if the output exceeds the input it stands to reason that is the case.
That'd be a valid point if it wasn't already suggested in KotOR II that he kept growing stronger.
His living tissue yeah, which tie him to the living Force, and according to Kreia in continues to "devour" him after the fact.
Kreia also claims that:
"He is more of a hole in the Force than a living thing."-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
The macerating clearly refers solely to his physical self, nothing more.
In what sense? None of the highlighted parts mention mental control.
The context of that conversation does, yeah. Which is why in the same conversation, she claims that:
"Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake. And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts."-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Quite, in which case she's referring to his drain, I'm looking for evidence he became more powerful holistically.
Untrue, because she describes him as having the "pinnacle" of the technique. She's just talking about him being powerful in general 👆