Darth Vader vs. Darth Nihilus

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kreia also claims that

The macerating clearly refers solely to his physical self, nothing more.

The context of that conversation does, yeah. Which is why in the same conversation, she claims that:

Untrue, because she describes him as having the "pinnacle" of the technique. She's just talking about him being powerful in general 👆

"The blind seer her Master has harnessed this technique, and he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the ancient Sith."

So no, he hasn't reached the full extent of his powers yet. But you already knew that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
But the point is he was still being devoured after the fact, and with the wound ever enlarging surely only at an even faster rate.I could see how that could be used to interpret Nihilus' hollow conquests as behind there being "no strength" in his hunger. But that still leaves Kreia's insinuation that the wound is devouring him to the point of inevitable oblivion.Right, except what she says is:

This is true but none of it precludes him from growing stronger all the same. It's a strange dichotomy, but hardly one that fails to make sense.

"The blind seer her Master has harnessed this technique, and he is rapidly approaching the height of its power. I fear he may even rival some of the ancient Sith."

So no, he hasn't reached the full extent of his powers yet. But you already knew that.

Yeah, she kind of contradicts herself here. But I see no reason as to why the quote I provided earlier refers solely to Drain and not power overall?

I don't think it refers to Drain, since Kreia explicitly states that he will eventually "become too powerful for us to stop". Kreia knowingly engaged Nihilus with the Exile, since the latter was immune to his Drain, regardless of how powerful it was. On the other hand, if Nihilus was simply more powerful, he would have other avenues to win (ie. TK).

I don't think its necessarily a contradiction, as she only says what Nihilus has accomplished is the pinnacle of what the assassins could achieve, not Nihilus himself.

Regardless, that's a fair point, I'll concede to that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think its necessarily a contradiction, as she only says what Nihilus has accomplished is the pinnacle of what the assassins could achieve, not Nihilus himself.

She was talking about the technique itself, but your point has merit. Perhaps the Assassins, Traya etc. could never use Drain to the same extent as the Exile and Nihilus, because they weren't Wounds in the Force. After all, she claims that you have to experience its effects first-hand to gain the power, and nobody experienced its effects to the extent of the Exile/Nihilus.

Regardless, that's a fair point, I'll concede to that.

Yay.

Vader probably wins sabers.

For the Force, feat wars favours Nihilus over Vader, or any crooked comparison between him and Starkiller. There's little escaping it.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Vader probably wins sabers.

For the Force, feat wars favours Nihilus over Vader, or any crooked comparison between him and Starkiller. There's little escaping it.

Sabers: Vader 10/10
Force: Nihilus 8-10/10
All out: Vader 9/10

Nihilus

Nihilus obliterates.

Vader dices and slices.

Vader, yeah.

Originally posted by BazookaMaster
Sabers: Vader 10/10
Force: Nihilus 8-10/10
All out: Vader 6-7/10