If being more powerful gives you better Argumentation, then Anakin would have better physicals than Galen, then. Wait, he already has 😛
He still statlemates Obi-Wan while hindered- in this specific scenario, Anakin wasn´t more powerful than Obi-Wan Kenobi. Without Hindrance, he is more powerful, than the Guy who ragdolls Kenobi.
C`mon, the Form and Strenght Advantage are heavily overblown.
Why didn´t Dooku has beaten Yoda, then? Why didn´t Kenobi beat Anakin then?
Especially latter: If Obi-Wan can only win through an Cheap Shot, then must Anakin, while heavily hindered, being more skilled than Obi-Wan thumb up
Also, Dooku stomped Obi-Wan in physical Combat, and matched Grievous blows easily. If it is the Strenght Advantage, that gave Anakin the win, then he must be far more stronger than either of them. If so, he is far stronger than Vader, and Galen doesn´t stand a Chance smile Again, give me feats of Galens strenght that match Dooku smile
If Anakin was indeed more powerful then Galen then yes, that would be the case. You'd need to prove that first however which you've yet to do.
Nothing suggests Anakin is more powerful then Dooku in a normal state. He landed a push on Dooku. Ahsoka landed a push on Vader. Landing a push on someone does not make you their equal let alone their superior unless you're arguing Ahsoka > Vader as a Force user.
Makashi has no inherent advantage over Ataru and neither does Soresu over Djem So...
Not when you consider Anakin had superior physical strength, superior speed and superior endurance via greater force reserves.
Both Anakin and Vader have superior strength feats to Grievous. Not to mention Grievous's strikes are not going to pack as much kinetic Force as a single action like ripping out elevator doors or winding back a punch. I believe I mentioned as well that Anakin's strength didn't phase Dooku when he was employing another form.
Galen being able to handle Vader's strength is indicative of having superior physical strength to Dooku and being able to handle Anakin's.
Uhm...Pre-pre-pre-pre-prime. That feat was shortly after AotC(22BBY), and Anakin has an ridicolous growth after that; IIRC, alone in the last month of the CW, he had an immense Power Boost. He wasn´t enraged. Annoyed, at best. Credit to Sirfizwhiz: In the ruined archive hall of LiMerge Power's plasma facility, Count Dooku waited for Kenobi and Skywalker to arrive. The room was enormous by any standard, thirty meters high and three times that in circumference. More droids appeared. To Dooku, this was nothing more than a game, Obi-Wan told himself. But if it was a demonstration of Force ability Dooku wanted, then Anakin was still more than willing to provide it. "Dooku!" he howled. With such force and wrath that the ceiling of the vast hall began to collapse. Dragging himself out from under plasteel girders and chunks of ferrocrete, Count Dooku came shakily to his feet and gazed in astonished disbelief at the shambles of the control room. Had the containment dome been so weak that it had succumbed to flurries of ricocheting blaster bolts, or had Skywalker's voiced rage actually called the ceiling down? Had Dooku not leapt forcefully at the last moment, he might have been buried, as the two Jedi were, somewhere below, in the expanse of rubble that covered the archive room. He was certain that they had survived. But if nothing else they were trapped, which had been the intent from the start. But Skywalker... Assuming that he had grown powerful enough to have collapsed the dome, the end result was simply further evidence that he would someday undo himself. Wasn't it? Because admitting to any alternative explanation meant accepting that Skywalker was potentially a greater threat to the Sith than anyone realized. Labyrinth of Evil
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The text directly states Anakin was enraged. I'm not even going to dignify this one with a response. Everybody reading this is literate and can therefore understand that the claim you just made is false, so I'll leave it at that.
And you understand that the gap between AotC and RotS is only 3 years, correct? Obi Wan mentions that Anakin has grown in power as of LoE. It's assumed that this refers to the Outer Rim sieges but this is never confirmed in any source, it's just widely accepted throughout the forum.
Besides Anakin's Force capabilities fluctuate vastly based on his mindset. Just thinking about what Gunray did to Padme made him unable to force open a blast door. Being enraged by Dooku caused him to bring down an enormous dome. I take his standard power as of RotS as being able to push Dooku.
Neat, wanna see that one. While not as impressive, this is again pre-pre-prime Anakin: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...+tk+%285%29.gif
Wanna see that too.
No rage, like I said.
Wanna see also the Vader feats. And arguments, why Sidious isn´t just toying.
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I've counted the number of droids in that gif. There are 20 of them. It doesn't compare.
"Soon the foyer was full of the twitching, smoking bodies of the Temple’s hapless guardians. He began to tire, not from exertion but from the tedium of knocking down droid after droid, to no apparent end. There might have been thousands of them.
Deactivating his lightsaber, he took a deep breath. With one mighty exhalation of power, he blasted all of them—those in pieces and those approaching with needle-tipped fingers and vibrosaws upraised—out of the foyer doors. Then he blasted the rubbish piles after them. He kept pushing until a dark cloud soared out over Raxus Prime’s hideous landscape—an artificial hurricane full of droid golems.
When the foyer was clear, the apprentice straightened. He was no longer pushing with the Force, but the floor beneath him shook nonetheless." - The Force Unleashed.
The Star Destroyer feat? I thought that was common knowledge...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_aOR6H9h0I
"When he reached the base of the skyhook, he was momentarily given pause. How to bring about the ruin of six constructs several stories high? Their super-strong materials were designed to handle the stresses of holding the massive station directly above, against all the laws of physics. How could he overcome their resistance?
The answer, as always, lay in the Force. The Force was beyond physics. The Force could not be resisted, when wielded by confident hands. The Force would always be sufficient.
Turning his back on the body-strewn battlefield, he put both hands on the base of the nearest mooring. Closing his eyes and his mind to all forms of distraction, he imagined himself at one with the metal, permacrete, and stone. He felt the mooring’s strengths and its weaknesses. He resonated with it, until it was hard to tell where his hands stopped and the mooring began.
When he could achieve no greater focus, he reached out for the dark side and let it guide him.
Energy came like a dam bursting, as wild as every predator on Kashyyyk combined but as pure as a laser. He tilted his head back and relished the wonder and terror of what he had brought into being. This was a power far greater than Sith lightning, designed for one single task. He lost himself utterly in that task. He became destruction.
The mooring shook. Its more delicate components—nanowires, sensitive self-regulating systems, microscopic hydraulic channels—fused almost immediately. Once the complex processes maintaining its stability were disrupted, a chain reaction began that could not be stopped. Pressures mounted in areas close to exceeding their maximum load; hairline cracks formed and spread; a deep vibration sprang up that could not be dampened. Even if left to its own devices, the mooring would shake itself to pieces in minutes.
The Apprentice maintained his assult until hairline cracks became gaping rents and the vibrations shook the world, howling material agony over the renewed firing of blaster cannons. When the first shower of boiling dust and pebble-sized fragments rained down on him, he decided it was time to step back and take stock--and to prevent some hapless stormtrooper creeping up on him and shooting him in the back.
He opened his eyes and looked up. The mooring was barely recognizable as the same structure. Electrical discharges danced across its conduccting surfaces. Ultrastressed permacrete flowed like treacle. Larger fragments began to fall and he batted them away with the Force, feeling no more drained by his exertion than he would have from a light run." - The Force Unleashed.
The text directly contradicts you.
"His lightsaber went skittering and sparking across the floor, twisted out of his grip by telekinesis. The Force wrenched him into the air, as he had once lifted the apprentice's father, and a barrage of missiles struck at him with increasing strength. He raised his gloved hands to defend himself, but the battery continued until, with a crash, the apprentice ripped the energy field generator in the center of the room right out of the floor and hurled it at his former Master." - The Force Unleashed.
Because the text of the novel described Sidious as desperate.
"The Sith lightning spread to engulf the two of them, fueled by both their desperations." - The Force Unleashed.
Nah, Anakin is undoubtely superior, but Galen can compete in the Force big grin
Please prove this to me then.
Anakin can counter all, what Galen can do. I don´t see how TFU Vader is >Anakin. If any version of Vader is above him in Force only, it is RotJ Vader. In overall-non is, imo.
Obi-Wan, the guy who were more Intimate with Anakin than Lovers, hasn´t got an big enough advantage, through countless sparrings with the original Anakin, to beat an heavily hindered Anakin.
Anakin Skywalker wins 10/10 smile
Galen is a more powerful Force user then Anakin has ever encountered and going by their respective feats ( even Anakin's focused/enraged ones ) Galen exceeds him in power by a large margin.
Comparing Vader and Anakin's standard force feats side by side Vader comes out on top. Vader is more knowledgeable and experienced. Looking at their skill sets in lightsaber combat Vader is far more versatile. The only think Anakin has over Vader is agility. Vader is inarguably superior to his Anakin incarnation.
Because Obi Wan ultimately didn't have the combative ability to press Anakin. That doesn't mean that intimate familiarity didn't help him in combating Anakin as Galen's knowledge would in the fight.
*Shrug*
I know this isn't a serious debate. It's somebody using a sock to write short badly written misspelled arguments in an effort to get me to slip up or barring that at least waste time.
But I figure if anybody actually ends up reading this they'll maybe get a grasp on why Anakin is an overrated character.
