Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it does. Durability to all parts of the body are highly correlated. Otherwise, That's like saying that Namor's throat (no feats for it) can be crushed by human force since that has nothing to do with his durability of his face and body (where his feats exists).The problem is Rorschach doesn't have human level durability. If he did then his head would have came off or exploded with that kick. Thus your argument is faulty. It's like me saying that since a human trachea can be crushed by human force then Nite Owl can crush Cap's trachea in one blow. See what I did there?
Wrong. Bone durability does not translate to organ durability. The same way blunt durability does not translate to piercing durability. We take things "feat-to-feat". We assume some form of increased durabiity in that apect where feats apply but do not attribute full feats from completely unrelated body parts.
Else we can assume Cap would have superhuman skin durability due to his bones to absorb superhuman impacts from hits that shatter concrete and crus steel. Hell some characters have unbreakable bones as a superpower (Wolverine).
We can call for a mod ruling if you want.
And yes, I could see NO crushing Cap's trachea in one blow on a solid hit. That's my point.
Originally posted by h1a8
There was an acute angle between the kick and the trajectory. That means friction force EXISTED. If you don't understand then:1. Ozy didn't kick upwards, he kicked sideways.
2. Rorshach's lower body slid on the ground before reaching the air, Rorshach didn't fly directly upwards.
Prove there was an acute angle between kick and trajectory. We have NO reference point to measure the exact angle since the kick was shot too close to the face to measure properly.
All we see is Ror get lifted immediately at a slight angle soon as the kick hits. ZERO indication of ANY frictional forces in play.
You are reaching so hard right now, we should call you plastic man.
Desperate argument is desperate.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Wrong. Bone durability does not translate to organ durability. The same way blunt durability does not translate to piercing durability. We take things "feat-to-feat". We assume some form of increased durabiity in that apect where feats apply but do not attribute full feats from completely unrelated body parts.Else we can assume Cap would have superhuman skin durability due to his bones to absorb superhuman impacts from hits that shatter concrete and crus steel. Hell some characters have unbreakable bones as a superpower (Wolverine).
We can call for a mod ruling if you want.
And yes, I could see NO crushing Cap's trachea in one blow on a solid hit. That's my point.
Yes it does. It's ALL highly correlated. It's pretty stupid to have your skin and muscles to be ASTRONOMICALLY more durable than your throat. You are arguing nonsense at this point. If Thor's skin is bulletproof then should we assume that his trachea isn't? Thor has never been hit in the throat as far a I know. Does that mean Cap can kill him with a throat punch?
And we are talking about more than bone. We are talking about skin, arteries, muscles, etc. Rorshach didn't get damaged at all. That means his skin, muscles, JOINTS that connect the bones, vein/arteries, etc. were very durable.
The trachea is surrounding by his very durable muscles as well.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it does. It's ALL highly correlated. It's pretty stupid to have your skin and muscles to be ASTRONOMICALLY more durable than your throat. You are arguing nonsense at this point. If Thor's skin is bulletproof then should we assume that his trachea isn't? Thor has never been hit in the throat as far a I know. Does that mean Cap can kill him with a throat punch?And we are talking about more than bone. We are talking about skin, arteries, muscles, etc. Rorshach didn't get damaged at all. That means his skin, muscles, JOINTS that connect the bones, vein/arteries, etc. were very durable.
The trachea is surrounding by his very durable muscles as well.
You are aware that being punched in the throat will do far more damage than getting hit in the head, fight?
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Prove there was an acute angle between kick and trajectory. We have NO reference point to measure the exact angle since the kick was shot too close to the face to measure properly.All we see is Ror get lifted immediately at a slight angle soon as the kick hits. ZERO indication of ANY frictional forces in play.
You are reaching so hard right now, we should call you plastic man.
Desperate argument is desperate.
The path of the kick was shown. It wasn't upward (which would make the angle 90 degrees from the trajectory). It was a roundhouse kick delivered almost horizontal to the ground. Rorschach flew horizontal before entering the air.
The fact that Rorschach flew nearly horizontally PROVES that the force component of the kick was mostly in that direction. It's pretty stupid to throw someone upward and they go horizontally away from you instead.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it does. It's ALL highly correlated. It's pretty stupid to have your skin and muscles to be ASTRONOMICALLY more durable than your throat. You are arguing nonsense at this point. If Thor's skin is bulletproof then should we assume that his trachea isn't? Thor has never been hit in the throat as far a I know. Does that mean Cap can kill him with a throat punch?And we are talking about more than bone. We are talking about skin, arteries, muscles, etc. Rorshach didn't get damaged at all. That means his skin, muscles, JOINTS that connect the bones, vein/arteries, etc. were very durable.
The trachea is surrounding by his very durable muscles as well.
Then let's get a mod ruling. I will not waste my time arguing this line of reasoning any longer.
Now we're attributing arm strength to throat/skin strength and durability??! Do you understand the type of shit we can start attributing to Cap if we did this??
Again, enough reaching. Go grab a mod ruling and stop wasting my time.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then let's get a mod ruling. I will not waste my time arguing this line of reasoning any longer.Now we're attributing arm strength to throat/skin strength and durability??! Do you understand the type of shit we can start attributing to Cap if we did this??
Again, enough reaching. Go grab a mod ruling and stop wasting my time.
He'll never ask a mod for a ruling, because he knows that he's wrong.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Then let's get a mod ruling. I will not waste my time arguing this line of reasoning any longer.Now we're attributing arm strength to throat/skin strength and durability??! Do you understand the type of shit we can start attributing to Cap if we did this??
Again, enough reaching. Go grab a mod ruling and stop wasting my time.
If a mod rules in favor of you then I can say that Cap can kill Thor with a throat punch since throat durability isn't correlated to skin or muscle durability. Do you understand that? Ozy can kill ANYONE with single blow that doesn't have a throat durability feat.
Originally posted by h1a8
The path of the kick was shown. It wasn't upward (which would make the angle 90 degrees from the trajectory). It was a roundhouse kick delivered almost horizontal to the ground. Rorschach flew horizontal before entering the air.The fact that Rorschach flew nearly horizontally PROVES that the force component of the kick was mostly in that direction. It's pretty stupid to throw someone upward and they go horizontally away from you instead.
Again. Prove. It.
He was kicked horizontally and flew horizontally. At a very slight angle. His hand even lifted IMMEDIATELY on the next clip. Also, if any significant friction was in play, then he would have seen some form of rotation with his head and shoulder moving ahead while his lower body (w/c experiences this frictional resistance) gets left behind? Did any of that happen? Not from what I'm seeing.
And do you even understand friction coefficients? You understand that even WITH full frictional forces added in, this can perhaps increase the power of Ozy's kick by less than 10% as cloth to marble coefficients are very low? Not enough to change the difference between either "feats" as the weight plus distance of Cap's kick was multiples of that of Ror?
You are wasting both our time with this line of reaching.
Originally posted by h1a8
If a mod rules in favor of you then I can say that Cap can kill Thor with a throat punch since throat durability isn't correlated to skin or muscle durability. Do you understand that? Ozy can kill ANYONE with single blow that doesn't have a throat durability feat.
Except we've seen Thor survive explosions and impacts that would liquify human internal organs even IF they were under flexible armor.
And I DID say we can attribute some form of increased durability but translating full feats to unrelated body parts is ludicrous and reaching.
Again mod ruling or STFU.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Again. Prove. It.He was kicked horizontally and flew horizontally. At a very slight angle. His hand even lifted IMMEDIATELY on the next clip. Also, if any significant friction was in play, then he would have seen some form of rotation with his head and shoulder moving ahead while his lower body (w/c experiences this frictional resistance) gets left behind? Did any of that happen? Not from what I'm seeing.
And do you even understand friction coefficients? You understand that even WITH full frictional forces added in, this can perhaps increase the power of Ozy's kick by less than 10% as cloth to marble coefficients are very low? Not enough to change the difference between either "feats" as the weight plus distance of Cap's kick was multiples of that of Ror?
You are wasting both our time with this line of reaching.
LOL, so I guess you didn't understand what I meant when I said ACUTE ANGLE.
I learn something amazing everyday I guess.
His legs SLID on the ground BEFORE going airborne. That's the proof. End of the debate.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Except we've seen Thor survive explosions and impacts that would liquify human internal organs even IF they were under flexible armor.And I DID say we can attribute some form of increased durability but translating full feats to unrelated body parts is ludicrous and reaching.
Again mod ruling or STFU.
Several things that are faulty.
1. How can an explosion liquify a human under something very durable? Are you talking about HEAT or IMPACT force? You are clearly making stuff up. Bomb suits are very flexible. Did you know that? They are made of Kevlar, foam and plastic.
2. Highly correlated doesn't not mean equal durability. It means that if a character's skin and muscles are 500 times more durable than a human's then their throat should be at around 500 times more durable as well. It could be less than 500 times but somewhere around the vicinity. Otherwise, Ozy kills Cap and Thor with a throat punch easily.
Originally posted by h1a8
Several things that are faulty.1. How can an explosion liquify a human under something very durable? Are you talking about HEAT or IMPACT force? You are clearly making stuff up. Bomb suits are very flexible. Did you know that? They are made of Kevlar, foam and plastic.
2. Highly correlated doesn't not mean equal durability. It means that if a character's skin and muscles are 500 times more durable than a human's then their throat should be at around 500 times more durable as well. It could be less than 500 times but somewhere around the vicinity. Otherwise, Ozy kills Cap and Thor with a throat punch easily.
I'm just doing this so h1 can't delete the post once he realizes what he just said in point 1.