Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't say exact scaling but close scaling. So you agree that it should scale somewhat? But by how much is debatable?If throat durability doesn't scale close to skin, muscle, vein, and nerve durability then Ozy can literally kill Thor, Cap, WS, Hulk, etc. with a throat punch since SOME scaling is not enough. Do you agree?
Not scaling but a "range" based on character overall average showings across the board.
We don't use top "feats".
Going by "eye estimating" is undependable, we go by reference points.
Count the steps he took to walk from Crossbones from his kick position.
11-12 steps.
Average male step: 31 inches. (http://www.livestrong.com/article/438170-the-average-walking-stride-length/)
It should be further since Cap is over 6 feet (not average male height) but whatevs.
11x31 = 341/12 = 28.4 feet minimum.
Nib, you can tell it wasn't 30 feet.. that is plain wrong. You can't even say for certain how many steps he even took. He takes like 4 or 5... then the scene cuts away to a different angle and again you cant' tell how many steps he's taking. That ISN'T a great way to tell anything when you can't even determine how many steps he took. Further, we know stride length can very depending on how you're walking and the length of your stride. Factors we can't tell in the video. Trying to act like it's concrete proof, and it's not concrete because of the above factors. Might you, I'm not saying it's not 30 feet, it could be, I'd place it more around 23-25. Further, why this is so funny is because you claimed Ozy's kick was 10 feet or less. It was more than 10 feet to the pillar. Again why this is laughable
BS. Count the steps. When his feet goes offscreen, you can hear and count the remaining footsteps. It is plain fact11-12. This is not up for discussion. It is plain fact. Let's call a mod if you want. But I am not backing out on things that can be easily counted.
And unless you're saying Cap takes baby steps, your argument of stride/step length is ludicrous. So I'm just gonna ignore it. You ask for concrete proof but only offer your visual estimate (aka opinion) as a rebuttal. My proof > your opinion.
Funny you disrespectfully go LMAO then say that "it wasn't even close to that (25-30 feet)" then claim 23-25 feet once proof is given. It seems we have a difference of opinion on what constitutes "not even close". Give respect if you want respect FYI.
And you know as well as anyone that I don't pull stuff out of my ass. I use reference points when available. That is how I came up with the 10 feet to pillar. I covered this a long time ago but here is it again.
Ror's actor is 5'5". With bent knees and hunched (when he crashed into the TVs when his tackle missed Ozy), he covered 2 tvs end to end. That would put the tvs a little over 2 feet per. He travelled 4 tvs length to hit the pillar. 10 feet was generous.
I have tried being polite with you as we debate. But it had been one time wasting desperate unsupported argument to another. And if you can!t even be polite as you waste my time, I think it would be reasonable to say that I am slowly losing my patience here.
Whatever man, go back and read the posts, you were "disrespectful" (as you call it), first to me. A few page back. So spare me any bs moaning and whining about being disrespectful. It's that simple. If not, and you think you can say what you want to me, and I need to be respectful back, you'll soon realize that won't be the case.
No, you're not understanding at all. The cut away scene is exactly what makes it difficult to determine. We have no way of knowing that sequence was all shot in the same frame. When they shot the second frame for example, we have zero way of knowing they pick up right where he left off walking in the first. I thought such basic things in movie production that are possible didn't need to be explained to you. I guess it does.
Further, when I say it's not close, that is relative to the proportions we are talking about. If I say it's 23 and you say it's 30 that's almost 1/4 less distance. We aren't talking about a disparity between 400 feet and me claiming it's 393. Again, I thought this fact would be painfully obvious.
Lastly, what I'm saying is, stride length can VARY DEPENDING ON HOW YOU"RE WALKING. Calmly, aggressively or normal. So unless you know his stride length during the exact scene, you have zero way to calculate it accurately. I could say he was walking normal, don't really care one way or another, but what I do know for a fact is, we can't determine that for sure. Mr. we can't calculate how far he would've traveled without hitting the pillar thus we can't comment. See how that works.
I've always been respectful with you, but what I won't have, is you talk crap to me, and then when it comes back you whine like a girl. I even let the first comments go, and said nothing, then you start with snide remarks again. Yet wonder, why I get a little "disrespectful" myself? Yeah, okay. I have no issue be cool with you, generally always have been, and have no issue continuing. It won't be a one sided street though Nib, and you should understand your role in this.
To KT
WTF are you talking about!?! I reread ALL my replies to you and the only time I said anything remotely curt to you was an expression of frustration in you wanting me to review an entire clip where you provided no time stamps even when requested, accused me of not watching the clip only to have nothing relevant in the clip to the debate at hand. That would be understandably frustrating to anyone. And even then I tried to be as polite as I could. You're just letting quan's taunting to translate into what I said. Read what I posted again and you'll know that it was written with as much self-control as possible.
You know what? Screw it. Whatever. Think what you want. I don't want to waste my time arguing with you on who started what.
The short camera shot cut to Cap's back does not take away anything from the number of steps. Just count it: 11-12. If anything, it should add steps as cuts do not reverse time unless explicitly stated. You have nothing here.
And burden is on you to prove Cap took short steps. Til then average steps > your wish that Cap had short steps. 25-30 stands.
Nice attempt at false equivalency. Trying to equate flying distances that didn't happen vs steps taken that actually DID happen. You're trying to downplay Cap's "feat" by denying scientifically proven factual averages. Unfortunately for you, it is within reasonable logic to use established averages to measure on screen "feats" else we'd never be able to measure anything. We can grab a mod ruling about this if you want.
Originally posted by h1a8
Do you believe that Ozy can kill Cap with a throat punch?
What about Loki?
Cap? I dunno. Will have to check his "feats" to see if he's gotten struck in the throat. I doubt Ozy could land a perfect throat strike on average, tho. Those things are not easy to hit. You need to vastly outspeed, outstrength (to overpower defenses) and outskill your opponent (or use surprise). Or do a grapple-strike (grab them, tip their heads back and strike throat). A basic boxer stance (w/c Cap does) requires you to tuck your chin after all. But a perfect throat strike being lethal seems within reason. The same way Cap would kill Ozy on a perfect throat strike (but is unlikely to happen).
Loki. Hell no. He was in the same rainbow bridge explosion as Thor. And suffered no damage as well.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Cap? I dunno. Will have to check his "feats" to see if he's gotten struck in the throat. I doubt Ozy could land a perfect throat strike on average, tho. Those things are not easy to hit. You need to vastly outspeed, outstrength (to overpower defenses) and outskill your opponent (or use surprise). Or do a grapple-strike (grab them, tip their heads back and strike throat). A basic boxer stance (w/c Cap does) requires you to tuck your chin after all. But a perfect throat strike being lethal seems within reason. The same way Cap would kill Ozy on a perfect throat strike (but is unlikely to happen).Loki. Hell no. He was in the same rainbow bridge explosion as Thor. And suffered no damage as well.
I'm not talking about the skill to hit them in the throat. Let's assume that Ozy hits them in the throat. Will he kill them?
But you did say "I dunno" to Cap.
Cap has no throat feats. So what do you say?
How is resistance to the rainbow bridge explosion evidence towards not dying if one gets struck in the throat by Ozy?
Did Loki's trachea endure a force? If so was it much greater than an Ozy punch?
If Cap tilted his head back and allowed Ozy to strike him full strength in the throat then yes, there's a good possibility that will kill Cap. Probably won't work on Loki though. Loki is bullet proof and is tough enough to withstand Hulk's smashing without any broken bones and with only minor cuts and bruises. It will take more than Ozy-level strength to break his windpipe.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If Cap tilted his head back and allowed Ozy to strike him full strength in the throat then yes, there's a good possibility that will kill Cap. Probably won't work on Loki though. Loki is bullet proof and is tough enough to withstand Hulk's smashing without any broken bones and with only minor cuts and bruises. It will take more than Ozy-level strength to break his windpipe.
Not to mention Loki withstood the Bi-Frost explosion without a scratch.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not talking about the skill to hit them in the throat. Let's assume that Ozy hits them in the throat. Will he kill them?But you did say "I dunno" to Cap.
Cap has no throat feats. So what do you say?
How is resistance to the rainbow bridge explosion evidence towards not dying if one gets struck in the throat by Ozy?
Did Loki's trachea endure a force? If so was it much greater than an Ozy punch?
Originally posted by Silent Master
You might want to read the post a few more times, as he did answer your question.
As for Loki, he's not in this thread so I'll not go into detail except say that Loki was facing the Bifrost explosion and was at ground zero. With his mouth wide open, his head tilted up and his chin/neck pretty exposed. It's all opinion til we crunch the numbers, but I'm willing to bet the impact force per square inch from the pressure wave from what looks like a 10-15(?) storey explosion at ground zero is much much greater than Ozy's best punching "feat".