Originally posted by Nibedicus
Um no. If you're going to use real time speeds for the initial gunshot, then there was no way the bullet would have travelled wayyyy past Ozy by the time the camera cut to him.It is either the shot was done in slo mo consistent with the shot or the shot was done in real time and I can easily claim that it is simple SFX timing error. You can't have it both ways simply so it would fit your argument. Nice try, tho.
Actually I rewatched the scene. The initial gunfire was done with some slowdown. It's not the actual real time speed. The bullet still easily traveled several feet before Ozy moved though. That much is clear.
Um no. Your logic is wrong. All Ozy had to do was be BEAT the bullet to the destination, not time it within a perfect time position with not even a fractional margin of error. So all he had to do was time his movement on or fractionally before or after (0:00) of the shot and simply have the reflex speed to beat the shot from (0:00) to (0:01). A fractional margin of error (even at 0.001+) would have been irrelevant if he still had the speed to outrace the bullet and if my experiment proves anything, the timing would not be too difficult for a superhuman if he managed to anticipate it.
This is basic stuff. How do you not get this?
Here are some visual aids for your benefit:
<-----Gunfire -----------> Catch
<-----(0:00)------------->(0:01)
Any of the ---- signifies his margin of error.
NOT:
Gunfire > Miss > Catch > Miss
(0:00) (0.0099) (0:01) (0:011)
Ozy's hand motion was a completely sweeping motion. He did not move his hand to the target and keep it there. He caught the bullet in one continuous smooth motion and keep it moving at the same pace. In other words, after the catch, his hand continued to move in the same path. Plus he caught the bullet dead center of his hand on purpose. Thus his timing had to be very precise.
Wrong again. A .38 special [b]110 gr hollow point
travels at 900 fps. And if you look at the slug Ozy pulled out, it is obviously not a hollow point. It looks like a standard LRN (lead round nose) bullet to me w/c goes from 670-770 fps.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_Special
If you're going to wiki and act like an armchair expert, the least you can do is perform due diligence and read thru the material. Jeez.
BS. Pulling arbitrary numbers =/= proof. You will excuse me if I disregard this BS entirely until you provide proof.[/B]
I didn't use the 960ft/s in my measurements, I used your lower estimate of 700ft/s. Remember? I was just stating that there are various sources that have .38 special traveling upwards beyond 960ft/s, especially considering the plus P model. This was information for you since I believed you didn't know the upper limits of the bullet. Tbh, I never looked at wikipedia. So all this was from you is trolling since it doesn't accomplish anything but derail the thread. If I used 700ft/s then don't address random statements about 960ft/s because they are irrelevant to the argument. I didn't use the 960 figure at all. Simply ignore them if I didn't use them as any evidence towards anything.
So go ahead and provide me with .38 special slo mo shots or any kind of evidence that would consistently prove the distances you claim. Cuz you would pardon me if I call you full of shit as I have easily and constantly proven you wrong about a lot of things in the past. I'm willing to accept solid evidence and would love to revise my position once evidence is provided but your word has less worth in these here parts than the giant turd I just shat a few hours ago. At least that could have been used as fertilizer. If you want to be taken seriously, don't be lazy, do your due diligence and provide research/sources.
Til then I will retain my position that the use of flash visibility is a poor and inconsistent metric of the distance a .38 special bullet would have traveled due to its RL inconsistency and the possibility of SFX errors making the metric even less dependable.
Let me get something straight. Do you honestly believe that a .38 special bullet will have moved UNDER 2 feet of distance by the time the flash fire has ended?
Lol at your weak insults tho. That at least was very entertaining. Your use of "logic and common sense" is terrible (downright lazy most of the time) so you criticizing my logic actually means I'm doing something right.
Oh wait! Look at this:
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Gotta save this for when you start making up shit again.
You know about your whole "making stuff up" accusation? Pls post and quote anything in this thread what I made up. Quote it. Come on. [b]I challenge you to quote it
. Otherwise, it's just classic projection.Um no. Nice lie. But no. You said he had bullet speed reactions. Meaning equal or very close to the speed of a bullet. That is a VERY SPECIFIC measurement:[/B]
You are making up false reasons to why Ozy was able to catch the bullet. You are saying that he anticipated it by looking at twitches, etc. when there was no evidence pointing towards that. No where does the scene point out that he's looking at a twitch from her. The evidence shown is that he used speed and reflexes to catch the bullet, nothing more. This is because he moved AFTER the gun fire. When a member is desperately making stuff up (not shown or alluded to in a comic or movie) then it is trolling. You can even ask a mod about it. There has to be direct evidence SHOWN in the feat to support your made up story.
These are actors and fiction, they are simply acting. The actor playing Ozy didn't actually catch a bullet. That means nothing extra exists unless it is alluded to or shown. Making up stuff not shown or alluded to is trolling.
He caught a bullet under very special conditions. An outlier "feat" that is impressive but does not give him reflexes equal to a bullet if we factor in anticipation and distance traveled. I am willing to accept that he has shown a good fraction of a bullet's speed under very special conditions, however.
He reacted and moved after the bullet was fired. This is well beyond the capability to be able to easily block a punch or attack from Cap. Saying that he anticipation and reacted before the bullet entered the air is trolling.
Let me get this straight: So you think Ozy would beat Cap in a fight? Well, if so, I challenge you to a BZ:
Ozymandias vs Captain America Battlezone challenge to h1a8 from Nibedicus dated: Dec. 5, 2016 (my timezone). Standard rules apply.
Refusing would prove to everyone that you are just a troll who doesn't even believe in the crap you post.
Of course Ozy would easily beat Cap in a h2h fight (no shield). It would be a 10/10 easy fight.
Cap is too slow for Ozy's reflexes. Far slower than a bullet. Here's some facts about Ozy and Cap.
1. Ozy casually blocked and parried attacks by Rorschach that were visually faster than any attack ever thrown by Cap in all of his movies. Don't believe me? I can post an attack made by Rorschach and challenge you to find a punch or attack made by Cap that was equal in speed or faster.
2. Ozy caught a bullet using speed and reflexes. Thus he would only need a fraction of that ability in order to CASUALLY defend against Cap. Even if Ozy falsely anticipated as you claimed then that even helps his case more since he can do the same to Cap. He's the world's smartest man and can anticipate a bullet and thus he can easily anticipate Cap's attacks.