Originally posted by h1a8
Its not a theory. Its the truth.Why didn't Ozy shoot comedian? Is it because he wanted to fight him?Ozy doesn't need to move as fast as a bullet to defend against Steve. He can move less that 1/5 as fast and still defend easily. Ozy's perceptions are the key. He will easily see Steve's attacks.
Ozy didnt see the bullet , He predicted where it would fly.
Just like baseball players dont actually see the 100 MPH fastball when they hit it.
Originally posted by InhumanProve that Ozy didn't see the bullet. You are making stuff up now. A baseball player FIRST SEES the ball in flight and THEN predicts where the ball will go. Ozy had to initially see the bullet in order to predict where it was going to be.
Ozy didnt see the bullet , He predicted where it would fly.
Just like baseball players dont actually see the 100 MPH fastball when they hit it.
And It's impossible to predict the exact time a bullet will come out of the gun since there are many unknown variables that makes each bullet from each gun come out at totally different intervals of time after the trigger is pulled.
Also, assuming that Ozy did predict exactly when the bullet will come out then that still proves that he has bulletspeed perceptions. Why? Because he has to precise to the nearest 0.001 of a second. If he is off just 0.001 of a second then he will miss the bullet (it will hit him). This level of timing in his brain proves high level perception speed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Ozy didn't see the bullet. You are making stuff up now. A baseball player FIRST SEES the ball in flight and THEN predicts where the ball will go. Ozy had to initially see the bullet in order to predict where it was going to be.And It's impossible to predict the exact time a bullet will come out of the gun since there are many unknown variables that makes each bullet from each gun come out at totally different intervals of time after the trigger is pulled.
Also, assuming that Ozy did predict exactly when the bullet will come out then that still proves that he has bulletspeed perceptions. Why? Because he has to precise to the nearest 0.001 of a second. If he is off just 0.001 of a second then he will miss the bullet (it will hit him). This level of timing in his brain proves high level perception speed.
Ozy whole thing is being super smart. That is what he does and is know for.
In the scene you can see Ozy's face and eyes calculating before the bullet was fired.
He even turns his head when he catches the bullet. He didnt keep his eyes on the bullet. He didnt see the bullet. It was all calculated.
And again, that feat was anticipated and calculated. He was also on the ground afterwards. It isnt something he could do continuously. He cant move like that at will, because, Ozy needs time to calculate and anticipate. Then time to recover (as shown in the movie).
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Ozy didn't see the bullet. You are making stuff up now. A baseball player FIRST SEES the ball in flight and THEN predicts where the ball will go. Ozy had to initially see the bullet in order to predict where it was going to be.And It's impossible to predict the exact time a bullet will come out of the gun since there are many unknown variables that makes each bullet from each gun come out at totally different intervals of time after the trigger is pulled.
Also, assuming that Ozy did predict exactly when the bullet will come out then that still proves that he has bulletspeed perceptions. Why? Because he has to precise to the nearest 0.001 of a second. If he is off just 0.001 of a second then he will miss the bullet (it will hit him). This level of timing in his brain proves high level perception speed.
are you still a wlb???
Originally posted by InhumanI guess you didn't read my post. I actually proved that Ozy used bullet speed reactions.
Ozy whole thing is being super smart. That is what he does and is know for.
In the scene you can see Ozy's face and eyes calculating before the bullet was fired.
He even turns his head when he catches the bullet. He didnt keep his eyes on the bullet. He didnt see the bullet. It was all calculated.
And again, that feat was anticipated and calculated. He was also on the ground afterwards. It isnt something he could do continuously. He cant move like that at will, because, Ozy needs time to calculate and anticipate. Then time to recover (as shown in the movie).
You basically ignored it. Pure trolling.
Originally posted by h1a8
I guess you didn't read my post. I actually proved that Ozy used bullet speed reactions.You basically ignored it. Pure trolling.
You didnt prove anything. What was actually shown proves that Ozy can achieve a bullet timed reaction "UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES". ONCE. Not continuously. (and needs time to recover from the feat)
If you have footage of Ozy moving at bullet timing speeds continuous or in a fight post them. If not then you are wasting everyone's time with your assumptions and imagination scenarios.
Yes, Ozy caught a 1 bullet that was a calculated and anticipated feat.
People like Winter Soldier have close or comparable feats of blocking or dodging bullet fire as well. From faster traveling bullets.
Flipping your whole body out the way of faster traveling bullets is in some ways more impressive. But the differences are minor and shouldn't give Ozy or Cap/WS the auto win because of speed. (IF we are talking about Ozy vs.WS/Cap)
Originally posted by InhumanMake sure you read this post thoroughly before replying. I recommend you read it twice.
You didnt prove anything. What was actually shown proves that Ozy can achieve a bullet timed reaction "UNDER SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES". ONCE. Not continuously. (and needs time to recover from the feat)
If you have footage of Ozy moving at bullet timing speeds continuous or in a fight post them. If not then you are wasting everyone's time with your assumptions and imagination scenarios.Yes, Ozy caught a 1 bullet that was a calculated and anticipated feat.
People like Winter Soldier have close or comparable feats of blocking or dodging bullet fire as well. From faster traveling bullets.
Flipping your whole body out the way of faster traveling bullets is in some ways more impressive. But the differences are minor and shouldn't give Ozy or Cap/WS the auto win because of speed. (IF we are talking about Ozy vs.WS/Cap)
The first paragraph below gives the possibility that you are wrong.
The second paragraph proves that you are wrong.
The third paragraph proves I'm right.
A baseball player FIRST SEES the ball in flight and THEN predicts where the ball will go. Ozy could have initially seen the bullet in order to predict where it was going to be.And It's impossible to predict the exact time a bullet will come out of the gun since there are many unknown variables that makes each bullet from each gun come out at totally different intervals of time after the trigger is pulled.
Also, assuming that Ozy did predict exactly when the bullet will come out then that still proves that he has bulletspeed perceptions. Why? Because he has to be precise to the nearest 0.001 of a second. If he is off just 0.001 of a second then he will miss the bullet (it will hit him). This level of timing in his brain proves high level perception speed.
It's not common for perception speed to be a one time thing for a skilled fighter. Thus Ozy can always maintain those level of perceptions. Also know that Ozy doesn't have to operate at bullet speed perceptions and speed continuously. He can operate at a fraction of it and still be far faster than Cap. Cap will not be punching anywhere close to the speed of a bullet. Thus Ozy doesn't need to move that fast or perceive that quickly.
Lastly it's your interpretation of what happened to Ozy (he used all of his energy to stop the bullet and was out of it). My interpretation is that Ozy set up a ruse. He pretended to be hit by the bullet and fell down the stairs. He tripped over the stairs on purpose. Even if he didn't trip on purpose, there are no stairs in this fight.
Regardless of which interpretation is true, the fact remains that Ozy has bullet time perceptions and HE DOESN'T NEED TO continuously move at the speed of a bullet (or at all). He can move a fraction of it and still be always ahead of Cap.
Originally posted by Ascendancy
When I saw h1's post on page one I knew I could just skip to the last page. I've literally never seen anyone else on these forums so willing to ignore logic.
What are you talking about? No one here said that Cap isn't winning this fight. We been debating for weeks something entirely different. You just made yourself look like an ass.
And I'm the most logic member here. Only someone with strong intelligence can see this.
Actually, if you look at the video, Ozy only really needed to move his right hand around 1.5 feet. Just raising it enough to catch the bullet aimed at his chest.
Distance of the shot looks to be around at least 6-8 feet. Proof: at (0:10) he falls down and SS is nowhere in the shot meaning she was far enough back to be covered by the pillars. This then means that his hand only needed to travel no more than 1/5th-1/4th the speed of the bullet, likely less.
Meaning that since a standard .38 special round has a muzzle velocity of 494, then Ozy likely flicked his limb at mph 98.8mph-123 mph tops.
As for perception speed, h1 claims that Ozy percieving the bullet is the only possible explanation here (and will likely not accept any other explanation), but it is just as likely (and more accurate to his characterization) that Ozy predicted the exact moment SS pulled the trigger (reading her facial and finger twitches, etc) and simply moved his hand in that exact moment. Essentially, timing the exact moment of the shot + aim blocking.
Of course, he will also be the first person to yell "aim block" when talking about WS blocking "feats".
Originally posted by NibedicusMeaning that since a standard .38 special round has a muzzle velocity of 494, then Ozy likely flicked his limb at mph 98.8mph-123 mph tops.
Still pretty damn fast tbh.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Of course, he will also be the first person to yell "aim block" when talking about WS blocking "feats".
Yeah can't have it both ways.
Originally posted by NibedicusAbout 1.5ft I can agree with that. She was about 8ft away from Ozy but the nozzle was about 6ft away from him. So let's go with the 6ft. But Ozy moved only well after the bullet entered the air. In one scene the gun goes off (you see the flash and the bullet travel at least 1ft away from the nozzle) and in the next scene you see Ozy moves for the first time (a split moment after the flash). This means that Ozy moved when the bullet was between 1-3ft from the nozzle. So He actually moved faster than your guesstimate.
https://youtu.be/oNj4UjzbHkQActually, if you look at the video, Ozy only really needed to move his right hand around 1.5 feet. Just raising it enough to catch the bullet aimed at his chest.
Distance of the shot looks to be around at least 6-8 feet. Proof: at (0:10) he falls down and SS is nowhere in the shot meaning she was far enough back to be covered by the pillars. This then means that his hand only needed to travel no more than 1/5th-1/4th the speed of the bullet, likely less.
Meaning that since a standard .38 special round has a muzzle velocity of 494, then Ozy likely flicked his limb at mph 98.8mph-123 mph tops.
As for perception speed, h1 claims that Ozy percieving the bullet is the only possible explanation here (and will likely not accept any other explanation), but it is just as likely (and more accurate to his characterization) that Ozy predicted the exact moment SS pulled the trigger (reading her facial and finger twitches, etc) and simply moved his hand in that exact moment. Essentially, timing the exact moment of the shot + aim blocking.
Of course, he will also be the first person to yell "aim block" when talking about WS blocking "feats".
But what makes your post moot is that it ALWAYS take a fraction of the speed in order to block or parry ANY ATTACK. So if Cap punches with 1/5 of the speed of a bullet (which is generous) then Ozy needs to only move about 1/10th the speed of a bullet. Also, Ozy had to close his hands fast enough before the bullet bounced off his hand.
And I have already proven that Ozy used bullet speed perceptions. I'll post the proof again.
1. It's impossible to predict the exact time a bullet will come out of the gun since there are many unknown variables that makes each bullet from each gun come out at totally different intervals of time after the trigger is pulled.2. Ozy was shown to move AFTER the bullet entered the air. There was no aim catching.
3. Also, assuming that Ozy did predict exactly when the bullet will come out then that still proves that he has bulletspeed perceptions. Why? Because he has to be precise to the nearest 0.001 of a second. If he is off just 0.001 of a second then he will miss the bullet (it will hit him). This level of timing in his brain proves high level perception speed.