Originally posted by Silent Master
According to who?
There is no such notion of according to who in this situation. It's a simple fact. Just like in 2+2 =4 there is no such notion as according to who.
These characters are fictional. No one was actually hit when making the movie.To say someone wasn't using full force in the fictional sense, when it isn't stated, is simply making stuff up.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no such notion of according to who in this situation. It's a simple fact. Just like in 2+2 =4 there is no such notion as according to who.These characters are fictional. No one was actually hit when making the movie.To say someone wasn't using full force in the fictional sense, when it isn't stated, is simply making stuff up.
IOW, you just made it up.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is no such notion of according to who in this situation. It's a simple fact. Just like in 2+2 =4 there is no such notion as according to who.These characters are fictional. No one was actually hit when making the movie.To say someone wasn't using full force in the fictional sense, when it isn't stated, is simply making stuff up.
Okay, so again. In Age of Ultron in the forest. Do you think Thor was hitting the Hydra soldiers as hard as he hit Hulk or Kurse? You say they use full force 100% of the time, correct?
Originally posted by KingD19
Okay, so again. In Age of Ultron in the forest. Do you think Thor was hitting the Hydra soldiers as hard as he hit Hulk or Kurse? You say they use full force 100% of the time, correct?
Yes, full force EVERYTIME. In fiction, things are not real. Characters fluctuate in striking, durability, speed, etc. from scene to scene. For example, in Superman the movie, Clark struggled to push a huge Boulder down to create a dam, yet he lifted tectonic plates. He was crushed by a moving bus yet was able to easily move the moon.
Thor hit Cap's shield, in Avengers, with full force, leveling part of the forrest. Thor tried to actually hit Cap instead.
Originally posted by Silent Master
IOW, you just made it up.
What does "it" refer to?
You guys do know that Cap has a showing that is apples to apples with Ozy's low roundhouse kick (from angle and posture, looks to be a roundhouse) to the head sending Ror around 10 feet (have a diagram proving this in the ozy vs ws thread)?
At this scene (3:27) Cap uses a spinning heel kick to the head, sending Rumlow around 25+ feet (proof: you count his footsteps, you'll hear about 10-12 steps before he reaches Rumlow. Average male step: 31 inches, should be more as Cap isn't of average male height).
If we base it off actor stats. Ror is a lean 5'5" 130 plus a clothing and a trenchcoat (10-15 lbs of clothing?) and Crossbones is a muscular 5'10" 180 plus in full tech enhanced metal body armor (50-60 ish lbs of gear?).
140 lbs @ 10 feet vs 210-220 lbs @ 25-30 feet?
Just passing by. Just wanted to see reactions on the Trump win. Carry on ppls.
F Trump, that is my reaction.
Oh and he flew more than 10 feet buddy. We've been over this before. Part of his energy was dispersed when he hit the concrete pillar. Yet, he was kicked so hard.. than even after he hit the pillar, he still flew and additional 8-10 feet. From the kick to the pillar was about 7 feet. So there is no way it's only 10 feet. Further, the pillar absorbed some of the energy, so again, it would've been even further had he not hit that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
F Trump, that is my reaction.Oh and he flew more than 10 feet buddy. We've been over this before. Part of his energy was dispersed when he hit the concrete pillar. Yet, he was kicked so hard.. than even after he hit the pillar, he still flew and additional 8-10 feet. From the kick to the pillar was about 7 feet. So there is no way it's only 10 feet. Further, the pillar absorbed some of the energy, so again, it would've been even further had he not hit that.
He fell down steps after he bounced off the pillar. The distance he travelled was due to an angular fall. We can, of course, speculate on him travelling further but unless someone credible (ie. not h1) can come up with a deflection force computation on how much further he could have travelled. That is all speculation at this point.
We can speculate that he could have travelled further. But it didn't happen. The pillar is how far he went. Like we can speculate that Crossbones would have travelled even further had he not spun (dissipating a lot of the kick's force), but he didn't. We can only use what evidence shows us. And in this evidence, these are the numbers.
You gotta admit, with so much media/celeb hate against him, Trump earned that win. You gotta give him props for that.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You guys do know that Cap has a showing that is apples to apples with Ozy's low roundhouse kick (from angle and posture, looks to be a roundhouse) to the head sending Ror around 10 feet (have a diagram proving this in the ozy vs ws thread)?At this scene (3:27) Cap uses a spinning heel kick to the head, sending Rumlow around 25+ feet (proof: you count his footsteps, you'll hear about 10-12 steps before he reaches Rumlow. Average male step: 31 inches, should be more as Cap isn't of average male height).
If we base it off actor stats. Ror is a lean 5'5" 130 plus a clothing and a trenchcoat (10-15 lbs of clothing?) and Crossbones is a muscular 5'10" 180 plus in full tech enhanced metal body armor (50-60 ish lbs of gear?).
140 lbs @ 10 feet vs 210-220 lbs @ 25-30 feet?
Just passing by. Just wanted to see reactions on the Trump win. Carry on ppls.
Huh. That's a good catch. Even if we were to assume that Rosch flew as far as Crossbones did, the fact that Crossbones weigh a lot more is a good indication of Cap's superior strength/striking feat.
Another factor to consider:
A low roundhouse (and kicks like it) is one of the most powerful kicks you can possibly deliver to a target.
Ask any muay thai/kickboxer, they will say that their low roundhouse is their most powerful kick.
In contrast, a high spinning heel kick (while powerful) delivers much less power due to it having poor accuracy (making you focus more energy in controlling the kick), its distance travelled (energy loss) and its poor balance (relative to other kicks).
Funny thing is, I've actually been hit with a spinning heel kick in a streetfight by a red belt TKD before (*******'s friends distracted me and he sucker kicked me). Didn't knock me out, barely gave me a nose bleed. 😆
Had I been kneeling and he allowed to roundhouse me in the face, I have no doubt that he would have smashed every bone on my face.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Another factor to consider:A low roundhouse (and kicks like it) is one of the most powerful kicks you can possibly deliver to a target.
Ask any muay thai/kickboxer, they will say that their low roundhouse is their most powerful kick.
In contrast, a high spinning heel kick (while powerful) delivers much less power due to it having poor accuracy (making you focus more energy in controlling the kick), its distance travelled (energy loss) and its poor balance (relative to other kicks).
Funny thing is, I've actually been hit with a spinning heel kick in a streetfight by a red belt TKD before (*******'s friends distracted me and he sucker kicked me). Didn't knock me out, barely gave me a nose bleed. 😆
Had I been kneeling and he allowed to roundhouse me in the face, I have no doubt that he would have smashed every bone on my face.
Sounds like we need to let H1 crunch some numbers on this. 😎
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Another factor to consider:A low roundhouse (and kicks like it) is one of the most powerful kicks you can possibly deliver to a target.
Ask any muay thai/kickboxer, they will say that their low roundhouse is their most powerful kick.
In contrast, a high spinning heel kick (while powerful) delivers much less power due to it having poor accuracy (making you focus more energy in controlling the kick), its distance travelled (energy loss) and its poor balance (relative to other kicks).
Funny thing is, I've actually been hit with a spinning heel kick in a streetfight by a red belt TKD before (*******'s friends distracted me and he sucker kicked me). Didn't knock me out, barely gave me a nose bleed. 😆
Had I been kneeling and he allowed to roundhouse me in the face, I have no doubt that he would have smashed every bone on my face.
Also, a low kick will almost always be more powerful than a high kick because
1. You're not restricted by flexibility
2. Your body structure naturally has legs lower than your hips which means low kicks allow your body structure to function more naturally and thus more powerfully
3. Closer to your core
4. Gravity
5. It's just plain easier
Also note that a Muay Tha fighter or Kickboxer will not practice any other kick more times than they practice their roundhouse. This is the most common kick that almost any fighter will be taught and will practice over and over again.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
He fell down steps after he bounced off the pillar. The distance he travelled was due to an angular fall. We can, of course, speculate on him travelling further but unless someone credible (ie. not h1) can come up with a deflection force computation on how much further he could have travelled. That is all speculation at this point.We can speculate that he could have travelled further. But it didn't happen. The pillar is how far he went. Like we can speculate that Crossbones would have travelled even further had he not spun (dissipating a lot of the kick's force), but he didn't. We can only use what evidence shows us. And in this evidence, these are the numbers.
You gotta admit, with so much media/celeb hate against him, Trump earned that win. You gotta give him props for that.
I really don't he "earned" the win though. This was basically, mostly uneducated, mostly rural white folks who voted for him. It was basically the rust belt and the bible belt's right wing 9/11. They are some who are obviously disenfranchised with our system and this was a message. Others, and some literally said this, it was to make a mockery out of our system. That mission was accomplished. I don't give him credit, because as the analyst have said, with the numbers we see, any Republican would've likely won, and won bigger.
We don't need to know HOW much further he would've gone, we can unquestionably and factually say he would've gone further. Period. There can be no disputing this. So when you say only 10 feet, not only is that wrong even going by what did happen, but further wrong considering some of the energy was lost hitting it.
Again buddy, no, he didn't just fall straight down after hitting the pillar. You keep saying it was just him falling from a higher point down. Factually this is completely false. If that was the case, he would've just hit the pillar and fallen directly down.. hit the stairs, and tumbled further. In stark contrast, we see him BOUNCE off the pillar, not just fall straight down as you claim, but he was carried 5 to 7 feet past the steps. All told, it's further than 10 feet.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Another factor to consider:A low roundhouse (and kicks like it) is one of the most powerful kicks you can possibly deliver to a target.
Ask any muay thai/kickboxer, they will say that their low roundhouse is their most powerful kick.
In contrast, a high spinning heel kick (while powerful) delivers much less power due to it having poor accuracy (making you focus more energy in controlling the kick), its distance travelled (energy loss) and its poor balance (relative to other kicks).
Funny thing is, I've actually been hit with a spinning heel kick in a streetfight by a red belt TKD before (*******'s friends distracted me and he sucker kicked me). Didn't knock me out, barely gave me a nose bleed. 😆
Had I been kneeling and he allowed to roundhouse me in the face, I have no doubt that he would have smashed every bone on my face.
The biggest factor NOT mentioned here.. it's vastly HARDER to kick a person and send them flying from the position RO was in.. than to send somebody flying from the position Crossbones was in. That is the biggest factor here.. not the type of kick.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The biggest factor NOT mentioned here.. it's vastly HARDER to kick a person and send them flying from the position RO was in.. than to send somebody flying from the position Crossbones was in. That is the biggest factor here.. not the type of kick.
I disagree. What physics principle are you basing this on? Sending anything flying has everything to do with force exerted (and retained by object where force was applied) overcoming weight of object.
You main point has always been that the mobility of the head/neck allowed for much of the force to be lost upon impact.
This is no longer the case as these are both sideways kicks to the head.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I really don't he "earned" the win though. This was basically, mostly uneducated, mostly rural white folks who voted for him. It was basically the rust belt and the bible belt's right wing 9/11. They are some who are obviously disenfranchised with our system and this was a message. Others, and some literally said this, it was to make a mockery out of our system. That mission was accomplished. I don't give him credit, because as the analyst have said, with the numbers we see, any Republican would've likely won, and won bigger.We don't need to know HOW much further he would've gone, we can unquestionably and factually say he would've gone further. Period. There can be no disputing this. So when you say only 10 feet, not only is that wrong even going by what did happen, but further wrong considering some of the energy was lost hitting it.
Again buddy, no, he didn't just fall straight down after hitting the pillar. You keep saying it was just him falling from a higher point down. Factually this is completely false. If that was the case, he would've just hit the pillar and fallen directly down.. hit the stairs, and tumbled further. In stark contrast, we see him BOUNCE off the pillar, not just fall straight down as you claim, but he was carried 5 to 7 feet past the steps. All told, it's further than 10 feet.
A win is a win. Despite overwhelming media bias against him. Props for that if not anything else.
Both instances would have had both characters travelling further had X condition been present/absent. But you cannot quantify the distance without making up some completely abritrary numbers (cue h1), thus this line of discussion would have zero quantifiably verifiable evidence and would just be 100% opinion and bias driven. Like I said, using the data factually available, he travelled 10 feet.
I actually specifically said "angular fall". Not straight down. Of course he would still travel some distance after bouncing off a wall. That's just physics. You completely misinterpretted what I said and so I will ignore your last paragraph.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
A win is a win. Despite overwhelming media bias against him. Props for that if not anything else.Both instances would have had both characters travelling further had X condition been present/absent. But you cannot quantify the distance without making up some completely abritrary numbers (cue h1), thus this line of discussion would have zero quantifiably verifiable evidence and would just be 100% opinion and bias driven. Like I said, using the data factually available, he travelled 10 feet.
I actually specifically said "angular fall". Not straight down. Of course he would still travel some distance after bouncing off a wall. That's just physics. You completely misinterpretted what I said and so I will ignore your last paragraph.
Again, it was more than 10 feet even without factoring in the pillar. Further, Crossbones had nothing to stop his momentum, so I don't know what you're saying there. He hit nothing but a table, and landed on top of it to boot. That is in stark contrast to RO bouncing off a solid object like a pillar.
Second, it wasn't just the next being mobile and flexible thus dispersing the force, but also the position he was in when he was kicked. That is vitally important to the discussion. Notice how in the video I posted... some guys are lift slightly in the air and even some are sent back backwards a few feet. That is because of the position they were in when they were kicked i.e. standing. As we know, it's much easier to send somebody flying backwards when you kick somebody standing. Ozy, in stark contrast, kick somebody on the ground and sent them flying. That is simply tougher to do. That is the other thing I've mentioned numerous times as well bud. So while I did like Cap's kick, and they are relatively comparable, Ozy's was more impressive imo
There is absolutely nothing that suggests that, Rorscach and Nite Owl could withstand blows from, Cap. Caps agility, strength and endurance are leagues above the Watchmen here.
Even with, The Comedian this match is one sided. The Comedian could get a lucky shot on Cap but with his shield, Cap can just plow through everyone.
Stupid video didn't post.. Here it is...
Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is absolutely nothing that suggests that, Rorscach and Nite Owl could withstand blows from, Cap. Caps agility, strength and endurance are leagues above the Watchmen here.Even with, The Comedian this match is one sided. The Comedian could get a lucky shot on Cap but with his shield, Cap can just plow through everyone.
I don't disagree with this, though I would say he doesn't he won't one shot them. he will win though, and easily.