Beniboybling
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Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Del Rey couldn't have made that announcement without permission from Disney and Disney has not denied their claim.
That's an assumption. Fact is neither Disney nor Lucasfilm have supported it in any way, and instead contradicted it with their own press release - nor do the books appear in Del Rey's official timeline, I'm taking that over a tweet.
Regardless nowhere does Dooku attempting to kill Kenobi with his knowledge of Ataru, or employing knowledge of Ataru in that fight at all, align with what we see on screen, so the point is moot either way. Time to move on.
2. Maul didn't meet a serious Sidious head on. He met a Sidious who was toying with him. Nothing suggests this changed towards the end of the fight either. What is suggested ( by both Filoni and official canon statements ) is that Maul was never capable of matching Sidious. Even if he had been serious Savage was aiding him up until the very end of the fight where Maul would have been enraged and thus amped by his brother's death making it an invalid showing regardless.3. The fact that Dooku held off a serious Yoda for a decent period where Sidious was never serious in his fight with Maul and Savage.
Dooku isn't capable of matching Sidious either, with or without backup, with or without him holding back. And both the novelisation and Filoni's own remarks indicate Sidious ramped up the intensity towards the end. And if we assume Maul was amplified by rage we should assume Maul was fatigued by the preceding fight as well, and in that respect balance each other out. However rage amps are consistently short lived in SW mythos so it stands to reason that power would have quickly evaporated.
4. Yes but you think a weakness like that would have been mentioned in the form's description ( we have two, both in Legends and canon ) if it was relevant.
What description(s) exactly are you referring to?
5. Nah Beni because both you and I know how bullsh!t that point was as does anybody reading this.
Your nothing if not amusing Syn. 🙂
LoE. Anakin can't force open a blast door. Ringing any bells?
No it isn't, I was hoping for a quote, not your retelling.
Are you telling me you believe Obi Wan is an equal to RotS Anakin as a force user?
No I'm not, I'm telling you that Mustafar!Anakin is not significantly weaker than TCW Anakin.
You haven't provided any evidence for Obi Wan being in Ventress's league and since you're the one trying to make that point it's on you to bring up better evidence then "HURR DURR HE PICKED HER UP AND MOVED HER AFTER HAVING A FRIENDLY CONVERSATION. SHE DIDN'T STOP HIM. HE RAGDOLLED HER."
You're retarded, yeah.
6. I'm pointing out that if neither gained an advantage in tow different engagement of unspecified length it indicates parity. Do you disagree?
Yes I disagree you fruitcake. Anakin appeared to be contending equally with Dooku in AotC, until he wasn't. Maul and Kenobi seemed pretty evenly matched in TPM, until Kenobi lost. Grievous initially had Ventress on the ropes in
Massacre, until he didn't. Ahsoka appeared to be winning against Vader in their duel as well, until she wasn't. Noticing a pattern? I sincerely hope so.
Moreover we barely see them fight at all, in fact the first engagement can't even be classed as such, since all it consists of is a blade lock before Grievous kicks him away:
In their second fight this is the extent of what we see:
Two panels, in which we never even witness them clash blades, so its not even concrete neither party had an advantage. And going off the panels themselves, the duel lasted no more than a dozen or so seconds. But despite all this I'm to assume they are equals? Yeah, absurd.
Please explain to me why Maul wouldn't have deigned to tap into a power source that would have increased his abilities. I didn't make any claims to the extent of his amp, I just noted he was.
And I'm just pointing out that speculation only further muddies your conclusions, even if it is reasonable.
And that's obviously not the case. Yoda being Dooku's superior and as you so graciously mentioned Anakin stalemating Dooku disproves this claim. His reputation was "The Hero With No Fear" and as a great warrior so it's pretty clear that he's going to be recognizes as the Jedi's greatest warrior since he's a far more active combat Jedi then Yoda who we knows spends most of his time in the temple or on negotiation missions.
This isn't about Yoda, this is about Vos.
It encompasses it, yes but I'll ask again, how does it equate to it?
If the point you're trying to make is that it doesn't refer exclusively to lightsaber skill I don't disagree, but considering the contexts (a hologram of Anakin displaying his lightsaber skills) and Anakin's own strengths, it is obviously the most prominent factor.
Are you purposely not taking into account that fact that Vos was spy for the Order sent on covert missions for the most part while Anakin was a public figure loved and admired by the Reublic? Jeezus Christ.
A spy? OK. He was an expert tracker and an underworld specialist, but I don't know anything about being a spy. More to the point there is a war on, and considering that in TCW Vos is wearing armour and arrives at the Temple in an ARC shuttle he's obviously participating, and indeed was supposed to be present during the Battle of Kashyyyk. He is a warrior yeah, and had plenty of time to display his skills, yet received not a lick of praise. And the opinions of the Jedi and Republic are not synonymous.
