Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he couldn't I said he wouldn't defeat Khan with it due to two reasons1) it has not put down weaker opponents
2) Khan has superhuman cellular regeneration.
You scripting the fight according to meet your biases isn't debating, toad.
Again, you're making a false distinction here and a false analogy.
1. he doesn't need to defeat anybody solely with TK, he just needs to prove he has the ability and uses it.
A. See forum rules about fighting to the best of your ability
2. It HAS put down weaker foes before and it's hurt SUPERIOR foes before. You keep forgetting that people with force powers have force DEFENSE for TK. Khan HAS ZERO TK DEFENSE. Thus when SIds has been able to overpower their defense with his offense TK, means he's done it to superior foes
3. Cellular regen won't matter in this fight. It will do him to good when he's getting tossed around and hit by lighting over and over. There will be zero time for regeneration. We've seen he can be put down and KO'd.. thus he will be here... easily
Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul is disarmed by Palpatine's light sabers. How the **** didn't you see that ?
Being disarmed isn't being defeated, nor was that the point he was making. Sids ragdolling Maul IS what defeated him. When Maul knew he could do nothing more, he succumb to the TK barrage of Sids... thus he was defeated. Thus he has defeated numerous people with TK.. People superior to Khan
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Being disarmed isn't being defeated, nor was that the point he was making. Sids ragdolling Maul IS what defeated him. When Maul knew he could do nothing more, he succumb to the TK barrage of Sids... thus he was defeated. Thus he has defeated numerous people with TK.. People superior to Khan
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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi1. False. I never said he couldn't use it I said he wouldn't use it to win since he hasn't done so.
Again, you're making a false distinction here and a false analogy.1. he doesn't need to defeat anybody solely with TK, he just needs to prove he has the ability and uses it.
A. See forum rules about fighting to the best of your ability2. It HAS put down weaker foes before and it's hurt SUPERIOR foes before. You keep forgetting that people with force powers have force DEFENSE for TK. Khan HAS ZERO TK DEFENSE. Thus when SIds has been able to overpower their defense with his offense TK, means he's done it to superior foes
3. Cellular regen won't matter in this fight. It will do him to good when he's getting tossed around and hit by lighting over and over. There will be zero time for regeneration. We've seen he can be put down and KO'd.. thus he will be here... easily
A. That's subjective which leads to biased you ****.
2. Prove it. Tk hurts Jedi the same way. Just as a blaster bolt hurts a Jedi when it hits their flesh.
3. Never occurred. Quit ignoring canon to sell your fanfic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiNo, that wasn't since by your definition he wasn't ko'd. Force lightning could be argued in the same vein in which you're arguing here.
Being disarmed isn't being defeated, nor was that the point he was making. Sids ragdolling Maul IS what defeated him. When Maul knew he could do nothing more, he succumb to the TK barrage of Sids... thus he was defeated. Thus he has defeated numerous people with TK.. People superior to Khan
Tk has to be used at the right moment that's why Sidious didn't use it whenever he wanted to. They have to be vulnerable or have their defenses lowered like anything else you ****.
Originally posted by quanchi112
1. False. I never said he couldn't use it I said he wouldn't use it to win since he hasn't done so.A. That's subjective which leads to biased you ****.
2. Prove it. Tk hurts Jedi the same way. Just as a blaster bolt hurts a Jedi when it hits their flesh.
3. Never occurred. Quit ignoring canon to sell your fanfic.
1. He has used it to win, so you were blatantly false. You lose this argument. He's used it to defeat Maul (he submitted). He also used it to defeat Dooku in the clone wars series.
A. it's not subjective. Should I restate the rules for you again since you seem unclear on them. The rules state, they fight to the best of their ability. So if somebody has TK as an option, this rule means they'll use and use it effectively.
2. What sort of rambling bs statement were you making here? Here is the reality. Force sensitive users have the ability to use TK defense. They've done this many times. The easiest example is when Anakin and Kenobi stalemated in their TK duel. Anakin tried to TK Kenobi, and he blocked it. It's much the same when Yoda stopped Dooku's TK throwing of objects. The force was being used to throw an object towards yoda... Yoda overpowered said force TK, to divert to object elsewhere. There are plenty of examples of this. Point is, Khan has ZERO TK defense. Thus Sids has done it to SUPERIOR foes not inferior ones.
3. It absolutely did occur. What happened to Khan at the end of the movie? Did he need a nap when confronting Spock?
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that wasn't since by your definition he wasn't ko'd. Force lightning could be argued in the same vein in which you're arguing here.Tk has to be used at the right moment that's why Sidious didn't use it whenever he wanted to. They have to be vulnerable or have their defenses lowered like anything else you ****.
It has nothing to do with lowering your TK defense. They TK defense can be active and utilized and still be overpowered by a superior more powerful foe. Maul didn't "turn off" his TK defense and that is why Sids could do that you buffoon. He just couldn't do anything about it.
I never have any such definition that he has to be KO'd to lose. If you verbally admit defeat YOU LOST. Just as you do in real life... just as you do in the UFC... just as you do in comics. Maul admitted defeat AFTER the TK barrage. Thus he's defeated SUPERIOR foes to Khan with TK. You lose, just as Khan losses.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt isn't always on you goon. That's why we see Yoda tk Palpatine because he lowered his guard. If he could do it at will why wouldn't he you dumb ****.
It has nothing to do with lowering your TK defense. They TK defense can be active and utilized and still be overpowered by a superior more powerful foe. Maul didn't "turn off" his TK defense and that is why Sids could do that you buffoon. He just couldn't do anything about it.I never have any such definition that he has to be KO'd to lose. If you verbally admit defeat YOU LOST. Just as you do in real life... just as you do in the UFC... just as you do in comics. Maul admitted defeat AFTER the TK barrage. Thus he's defeated SUPERIOR foes to Khan with TK. You lose, just as Khan losses.
That's preposterous. Maul lost when he was disarmed. That's painfully clear. He was tk'd earlier in the fight but didn't concede defeat since he had his weapons. Think, moron.
Only a complete moron would actually try and argue that Palpatine (who is also Sidious for the person who forgot last time) wouldn't employ the use of the Force in a fight. Granted, he likely wouldn't need extensive use of the Force aside from the ever present abilities it gives the user with precog, reaction-time and agility to win here, but what a sad and pathetic argument to try and push. Might as well argue that Khan won't use his weapons here, cos reasons.
Originally posted by RobtardQuit misrepresenting what I am saying just because you're known for this cheap debating tactic. Palpatine didn't use precog when Yoda pushed him nor did he ever realize Yoda was when he made it to the same pod. Watxh him look to both sides visually as he's clearly clueless. Your insistence on trolling while being ignorant to the known information is your m.o.
Only a complete moron would actually try and argue that Palpatine (who is also Sidious for the person who forgot last time) wouldn't employ the use of the Force in a fight. Granted, he likely wouldn't need extensive use of the Force aside from the ever present abilities it gives the user with precog, reaction-time and agility to win here, but what a sad and pathetic argument to try and push. Might as well argue that Khan won't use his weapons here, cos reasons.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It isn't always on you goon. That's why we see Yoda tk Palpatine because he lowered his guard. If he could do it at will why wouldn't he you dumb ****.That's preposterous. Maul lost when he was disarmed. That's painfully clear. He was tk'd earlier in the fight but didn't concede defeat since he had his weapons. Think, moron.
No you buffoon.. He didn't admit defeat when he lost his saber... but he DID lose when he ACTUALLY admitted defeat. Which means. Sids TK did defeat Maul
Further, you have no clue how TK defense works. If you're in a confrontation why would you ever have it off? Think about clownshoes. You're so naïve on Star Wars on how things work it's truly sad. You should be excluded from all Star Wars threads based on not knowing the subject material. Stop posting
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit misrepresenting what I am saying just because you're known for this cheap debating tactic. Palpatine didn't use precog when Yoda pushed him nor did he ever realize Yoda was when he made it to the same pod. Watxh him look to both sides visually as he's clearly clueless. Your insistence on trolling while being ignorant to the known information is your m.o.
You're truly ignorant of the source material. He wouldn't be able to tell what Yoda was going to do because he's also force sensitive himself. He has the ability to hide and shelter his feelings or actions. That is exactly how Palps was able to be right under the noses of the Jedi and they had no clue. He used his force powers to blind them of his presence and true motivations. Stop posting in any star wars thread every again.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit misrepresenting what I am saying just because you're known for this cheap debating tactic. Palpatine didn't use precog when Yoda pushed him nor did he ever realize Yoda was when he made it to the same pod. Watxh him look to both sides visually as he's clearly clueless. Your insistence on trolling while being ignorant to the known information is your m.o.
Sidious and Yoda are on the same level as far as powers go...so whats your point?? Of course equals can throw each other around.