Originally posted by krisblazeIt might be because Apocalypse iirc hasn't lost to anyone cleanly. There is always some plot device loss or Apocalypse is weaker than normal, and even when weak he's beaten the x-men badly in like 30 seconds which is something Sinister has never done straight up, even with the Marauders.
I would also generally put Sinister around low herald, but, as I mentioned, someone around low herald would generally be able to give Apocalypse a fight for his money.I generally chalk this up to Apocalypse getting so much hype but little in the way of the feats.
Originally posted by ghostman
lmao... are you serious? charles has always been a dick. 😆 😆 😆
Read early xmen. Charles wasnt a dick. Neither was scott. Fury was an ass but not a MURDERING ass. Reed, Namor, Tchalla....the only one i half expected to turn heel was Tony. Due solely to ego. But the others, nay?
Originally posted by -Pr-
There's a difference between wanting to bang teenage Jean and going full mindwipe using, Illuminati joining dickhead.
or you you know, like pretending to lose his powers during a very crucial time, which would of resulted in a shit ton of people dying if his plan failed. or faking his death a shit ton of times, and one of those times was...........so he can have some time alone 😆 😆 😆
and thats just the tip of the iceberg, theres the danger room shit, him covering up an entire team of x men being killed, and you know him killing his sister in the womb...
**** xavier
Not really disproving my point. He was retconned in to being much worse than he had been previously. Danger, Vulcan, all that, only came about through retcons. For a long time, sure, his judgment wasn't always the best, but he wasn't nearly as bad as he ended up becoming once they started changing shit around.
edit: And Kitty Pryde really isn't one to talk.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not really disproving my point. He was retconned in to being much worse than he had been previously. Danger, Vulcan, all that, only came about through retcons. For a long time, sure, his judgment wasn't always the best, but he wasn't nearly as bad as he ended up becoming once they started changing shit around.edit: And Kitty Pryde really isn't one to talk.
those first few times i mentioned were retcons.....? small dick big dick medium dick orange dick, it doesnt matter, a dick is still a dick. i will admit, they upped his dickery to silver age superman comicbook cover levels a lot over the years.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not really disproving my point. He was retconned in to being much worse than he had been previously. Danger, Vulcan, all that, only came about through retcons. For a long time, sure, his judgment wasn't always the best, but he wasn't nearly as bad as he ended up becoming once they started changing shit around.edit: And Kitty Pryde really isn't one to talk.
This
Yea he made mistakes but xavier was intended to be a MLK type character. All that stuff came later. The only reason Kitty called him a jerk is because she wasnt ready to be an xman. She was still a novice with her powers and she had childish impulses.
Originally posted by ghostman
those first few times i mentioned were retcons.....? small dick big dick medium dick orange dick, it doesnt matter, a dick is still a dick. i will admit, they upped his dickery to silver age superman comicbook cover levels a lot over the years.
the disappearing for a bit wasn't rectonned, no, but it wasn't exactly high on the scale of dickery. It makes him no worse than most superheroes, who take stupid risks all the time.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
ThisYea he made mistakes but xavier was intended to be a MLK type character. All that stuff came later. The only reason Kitty called him a jerk is because she wasnt ready to be an xman. She was still a novice with her powers and she had childish impulses.
Yep. and she tried to get Colossus arrested.
Originally posted by -Pr-
the disappearing for a bit wasn't rectonned, no, but it wasn't exactly high on the scale of dickery. It makes him no worse than most superheroes, who take stupid risks all the time.Yep. and she tried to get Colossus arrested.
what about the faking his death, leaving a taped will along with having his students watch him painfully die leading to them getting captured immediately, then almost killed... then comes back two years later after hiding in the ****ing basement and making jean lie to everyone about it... if that isnt high OR atleast medium....i dont know man... 😆 😆 😆
his dickery stretches back into the early x men days
Originally posted by Dareangel
as i remember in the 1 million arc, when he is losing his powers the flight is among the first things he is losing. but here he still has his flight which means he wasnt that depowered.
And punched through time at even less power level.