KotOR Revan vs The Outlander

Started by SunRazer3 pages

KotOR Revan vs The Outlander

Fight takes place on Zakuul. Who wins?

Revan

Why would you have the fight take place on Zakuul, where Revan would get amped?

KotOR Revan and the Outlander have the same alignment.

Originally posted by SunRazer
KotOR Revan and the Outlander have the same alignment.

Given that you can reject the grey philosophy at the end of chapter 12. I think not.

Well, then we'll assume they share the same alignment for these purposes. I'm pretty sure Zakuul is just a Force nexus, not a DS nexus, anyway.

I didn't create the OP with the intention of the environment benefiting either party unfairly. Assume it's neutral ground as far as amps and hindrances go, just with the Zakuul Throne Room layout.

Revan should win. The gap between SoR Revan and the HoT is pretty massive, and I'm not sure if going back to KotOR and upgrading the Hero is enough.

Is there a basis for this gap being massive or is this just based on Revan's gameplay mechanic ragdolling?

Not to mention that the gap between KotOR and SoR Revan is likely quite big as well. For one, KotOR takes place over what, a month? Revan had years to grow after that (albeit not in war-related circumstances) and regained his mask, which appears to have made him more powerful. After that, he spent three centuries gaining tidbits from the Emperor's mind. It's really just that SoR Revan was stupidly "split in two", but how that affected him is unknown since, IIRC, Dark Revan still uses both light and dark powers (for those that accept game mechanics, at least).

Originally posted by SunRazer
Is there a basis for this gap being massive or is this just based on Revan's gameplay mechanic ragdolling?

Is that a gameplay mechanic? Doesn't he do it in a cutscene?

Nonetheless, the light side half seems to make it clear that the entire team would struggle against him.


Not to mention that the gap between KotOR and SoR Revan is likely quite big as well. For one, KotOR takes place over what, a month? Revan had years to grow after that (albeit not in war-related circumstances) and regained his mask, which appears to have made him more powerful. After that, he spent three centuries gaining tidbits from the Emperor's mind. It's really just that SoR Revan was stupidly "split in two", but how that affected him is unknown since, IIRC, Dark Revan still uses both light and dark powers (for those that accept game mechanics, at least).

Yeah, true. In that case, I'm not so sure.

Outlander in a phenomenal fight.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Is that a gameplay mechanic? Doesn't he do it in a cutscene?

Nonetheless, the light side half seems to make it clear that the entire team would struggle against him.

The cutscene was him gathering power on Yavin IV's incredibly powerful nexus briefly (although Ant and a few others dispute that Dark Revan was amped for some reason), then sending everybody back with a Wave. Which didn't inflict any damage whatsoever, even to the non-Force sensitives.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Is there a basis for this gap being massive or is this just based on Revan's gameplay mechanic ragdolling?

Revan did get two power boost after kotor, one in the Revan novel and another in SOR. If we look at feats comparison there is quite a noticeable gap in power between Kotor Revan and Novel Revan and so on.

There isn't much of a feats comparison to be had, since KotOR Revan lacks specific showings.

Not sure where to place Outlander honestly.

Putlander edges.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Not sure where to place Outlander honestly.
Try the trash.

👆

Either

Originally posted by SunRazer
The cutscene was him gathering power on Yavin IV's incredibly powerful nexus briefly (although Ant and a few others dispute that Dark Revan was amped for some reason), then sending everybody back with a Wave. Which didn't inflict any damage whatsoever, even to the non-Force sensitives.

He wasn't gathering power. That was a standard attack animation (also seen in the Dread War expansion).

And he does that for the Imperial side, meaning he does it to Darth Nox or the Emperor's Wrath. So no, not amped.

Is there a basis for this gap being massive or is this just based on Revan's gameplay mechanic ragdolling?

It's established by Revan being capable of "discarding" protagonists in the Temple of Sacrifice operation (referenced by the Devs in a live interview as well), the protagonist not even trying to dispute the point when Revan declares that they are no match for him alone, and the fact an entire strike team was required to beat him - and said strike team wasn't even capable of doing that without circumstances.

"Revan travels to a very iconic Yavin IV to go to battle and release the actual Emperor, one we thought who was defeated not long ago. The player is pulled into this struggle of two of the most powerful Force users, like ever, in the history of the Old Republic, if not beyond - Revan and the Emperor."

Comments like those make clear that Revan's closer to Vitiate than the Hero of Tython.

KOTOR Revan takes it, barely.