KotOR Revan vs The Outlander

Started by Nephthys3 pages

Shan and Marr don't compare with the Hero, Wrath, Nox or Thor, for the record.

Well, Marr's abilities being stated as "second to none" technically ranks him above them. And since Shan's his equal, her too. 👆

Come on man, don't make me destroy that quote. We both know he'd get curbed by any of them. Shan admits inferiority multiple times and directly states shes diminished in ability.

Isn't that entry supposed to evaluate them before the game timeline? In that case it'd make sense for the protagonists to be absent since they are padawans or acolytes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Come on man, don't make me destroy that quote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUVQ_z6Zcs&t=0m36s

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Isn't that entry supposed to evaluate them before the game timeline? In that case it'd make sense for the protagonists to be absent since they are padawans or acolytes.

It's directly after the Battle of Ilum.

Although if we want to say before, that only makes Marr look better, since then he'd be > Malgus.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
It's directly after the Battle of Ilum.

Although if we want to say before, that only makes Marr look better, since then he'd be > Malgus.

I see. I didn't remember about the timeline of those entries. 🙂

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Malgus was visibly angered and yelled "enough games," further supporting the notion of a sudden burst of power that he couldn't maintain for long. Again, reference back to Jadus, who could even teleport. 😬[/b]

He also talks about enjoying himself.

So how do you explain Soverus and Jensyn, then?


Ah, now you're speculating. You can't speculate but then assign adjectives like "colossal" in regards to Revan's amp. Be more moderate. Also, the quote doesn't state that the dark side's preexistence was immeasurably powerful. It merely says there *might* have been a nexus, in some shape or form, there prior. It's the introduction of the phobis devices, however, that is mentioned in both alternatives, and changes the picture. This is visibly demonstrated in the missions as well.

I'm not speculating anything. As I said, the "immeasurably powerful" part is probably referring to the nexus as it was in the game, but the possibility of a nexus being there regardless of the Phobis devices is also mentioned.


You just agreed recently with my assessment on why NPC interactions should count, even if PC one's don't. I recall that being in late August.

Which argument was this one?


Marr's the most powerful member of the Dark Council (bar Darth Nox) and dominated Darth Lachris in a showing far more brutal than anything we seen the HoT perform.

Lachris lost to early Act 2 Barsen'thor, who's weaker than HoT. The brutality of her loss doesn't compensate for that.

I mean, I'm actually shocked you don't think they're comparable. And no, don't respond to that point by point. I'm not interested in prolonging this head-aching debate.

I thought you meant that they actually competed in fights with him. Yes, I do think they're comparable overall.

[b]EDIT: I don't recall a rebuttal to the Hero of Tython specifically being stated as being amped, BTW. That's the whole point of this debate.

Yes, I concede to the fact that he was amped with respect to combat effectiveness. So was Revan, though. So again, we're back to them both being amped and Revan being significantly superior. So I concede that he's significantly superior, but not immensely.

But that's only in reference to "combat effectiveness", which would be things like physicals, not Force power, since Battle Meditation doesn't affect that.